From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 23 13:52:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BC9FEC for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:52:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f170.google.com (mail-ie0-f170.google.com [209.85.223.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E2F828B1 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:52:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 17so847508iea.15 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 06:52:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=DkpHDe2t7FBkYUkMdwcajD4L24Amp1X7+ZL5Una0Z2k=; b=Om3pC4Phd5sbHqTO9MPhIylH4GjjIj3kP/H/jl1XtOyesrQvC1DrK+RuuUgSAvDFbl lOmsrncISf1J6mIvbDSnE5eouLd/nFm1vz9UGe/hrsWF6rotH610N3e4EaLthShDS79K FAsHCwQrqa5QyHCOzSJifpT4SmC9t3Ow/vVgIY9U/Apsjs9Yvn7yOC2ktRlA2Ia+qVAR bjTwHrSPtfLLkDM7mnKFw2NhE1U0ajqpT7ycwC0VEEHF7oUb/stDkuXYxhja7c1rkSIY EasiYE95fsgBxa6cf+I4FDU8sD5Crqfmum9cGa6KfudMS8mQT93hM/I1Mnp36KilX16c 7okA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmS8NtZ5CEfIWQHdfj4Gq/4fLL8caJDT80qBZ8Y3hf5L219qyfbM2b9/UGBGk89gc1oavh0 X-Received: by 10.50.45.73 with SMTP id k9mr1620734igm.38.1377265935419; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 06:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 53.imp.bsdimp.com (50-78-194-198-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [50.78.194.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b5sm3065418igm.3.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 23 Aug 2013 06:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Warner Losh Subject: Re: GCC withdraw (was: Re: patch to add AES intrinsics to gcc) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <20130823111647.GT2951@home.opsec.eu> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:52:13 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20130822200902.GG94127@funkthat.com> <105E26EE-8471-49D3-AB57-FBE2779CF8D0@FreeBSD.org> <5217413A.9080105@passap.ru> <20130823111647.GT2951@home.opsec.eu> To: Kurt Jaeger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: toolchain@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:52:21 -0000 On Aug 23, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > Hi! >=20 >>> I have a patch that I intend to commit before the 10.0 code >>> slush that removes GCC and libstdc++ from the default build on >>> platforms where clang is the system compiler. We definitely don't >>> want to be supporting our 6-year-old versions of these for the >>> lifetime of the 10.x branch. >>=20 >> Isn't it a POLA violation? >>=20 >> As for me I expect something like this: >> . 9.x gcc default and clang in base; >> . 10.x clang default and gcc in base; >> . 11.x gcc withdraw. >=20 > If the 150 ports that only work with gcc, all work with a ports > gcc and do not need the gcc from base, would the following be OK ? >=20 > - 9.x gcc default and clang in base; > - 10.x clang default and gcc in ports; No. That breaks non x86 architecutres. gcc must remain in base for now, = or there's no bootstrap ability. Nobody has done the lifting to cleanly = integrate gcc as a port into buildworld, althogh Brooks' work gets us = most of the way there. Warner