From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jun 23 11:02:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01422 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:02:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01408 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:02:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ernie!bert.kts.org!hm@ppp.net) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc2.ppp.net [194.64.12.42]) by mail.ppp.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA22314 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:02:03 +0200 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0yoXOM-002ZjcC; Tue, 23 Jun 98 20:02 MET DST Received: from bert.kts.org(really [194.55.156.2]) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with smtp id for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:50:50 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #3 built 1998-Feb-14) Received: by bert.kts.org via sendmail with stdio id for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:45:59 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #1 built 1998-Jun-6) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: PCVT's death In-Reply-To: from Snob Art Genre at "Jun 23, 98 10:33:36 am" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Hackers) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:45:59 +0200 (CEST) Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Snob Art Genre wrote: > > Exactly, I dont know where all this hysteria came from... > > It came from confusion between "dead" as in "dead in the water" and > "dead" as in "ready to be carted off and buried". > > You apparently meant the former, and some people thought you meant the > latter. No mystery here. No mystery, exactly. This understanding was even strengthened by a discussion style of "Mine is for shure longer than yours. And hey, _i_ am the core member". How much more politely and more core-team-member behaving would it have been to just ask: "Hey Hellmuth, don't you think its time to update pcvt and better integrate into FreeBSD ?". He would have gotten the answer, "shure i know its time for doing something on pcvt, but not right now - you know i'm working on that ISDN driver all the time - and when that stabilizes, i hope to find time to work on pcvt a bit more, ok ?" Instead it was communicated "Syscons is THE console driver. I'm a core team member. I don't care if pcvt just runs, i want to get rid of this trash. End of discussion". If you were the author of pcvt and really need it, you wouldn't have liked this too. And unfortunately my discussion style is not the best. I'm sorry for that. Sigh, hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe A duck is like a bicycle because they both have two wheels except the duck (terry@cs.weber.edu) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message