From owner-freebsd-arch Fri Feb 16 11:19:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6384937B401 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:19:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id LAA03319; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:18:23 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda03317; Fri Feb 16 11:18:18 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.2/8.9.1) id f1GJID375334; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdk75330; Fri Feb 16 11:17:26 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.2/8.9.1) id f1GJHPl29820; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:17:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200102161917.f1GJHPl29820@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdN29815; Fri Feb 16 11:16:48 2001 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-Sender: schubert To: Matt Dillon Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Mark Murray , arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: List of things to move from main tree to ports (was Re: Wish List (was: Re: The /usr/bin/games bikeshed again)) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:05:34 PST." <200102161905.f1GJ5Yw01853@earth.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:16:47 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200102161905.f1GJ5Yw01853@earth.backplane.com>, Matt Dillon writes: > :> I'll collect all the responses from the list together and put together > :> a comprehensive list, then post it tonight. > : > :Please move Sendmail to ports. People should have a choice of which > :MTA they want to use. Sendmail should not have any special status when > :compared to other MTA's in ports. Qmail and postfix are quite popular > :too and they are in ports. > : > :BIND: There is a growing groundswell in favour of djbdns. People > :should have a choice. Once again if they choose djbdns, BIND takes up > :space that could be used by other software on the disk. Economy. > > I have to disagree. Our base system must be operational without forcing > people to install certain ports. We need a working bind and a working > mail subsystem in the base system. We can let people turn it off, but we > can't shift these to ports. > > In regards to djbdns... as much as I aplaud security-centric designs, > the djbdns code is virtually unmaintainable -- unformatted, uncommented, > and a mess. Despite his essentricities Paul Vixie and the code he produce > s > is a whole lot easier to work with. I'd rather wait for Bind-9 to > stabilize and then move the base system to that then to shift to djbdns. > > (I'll add these to the list under 'extremely controversial', which they > are). One could say the same about the "r" commands, telnet, and ftp. For telnet and ftp: Extremely controversial. For the "r" commands, I'd rate the issue as half way between controversial and extremely controversial. What do you think? Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/Alpha Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message