From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 5 01:01:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D1B16A4CE; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:01:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D3243D58; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:01:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (ip68-100-2-61.dc.dc.cox.net [68.100.2.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB511Uag074032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:01:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:01:38 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Marc Fonvieille Message-ID: <20041204200138.09199f8e@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20041204093120.GA581@nosferatu.blackend.org> References: <20041128202656.GL750@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041202221228.GG78684@abigail.blackend.org> <20041203123606.100fa863@localhost> <200412031329.34102.zettel@acm.org> <20041203165704.400243a3@localhost> <20041204093120.GA581@nosferatu.blackend.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12b (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Nik Clayton cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Murray Stokely cc: "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 01:01:35 -0000 On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:31:20 +0100 Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 04:57:04PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > [...] > > > > Not really sure what the best way to go about getting things > > done around here would be other than: > > > > Post a list of tasks of mixed sizes, > > Request people (people, not committers not contributors) to grab a task, > > Commit completed work after some minor/major review, > > As one task is completed another is grabbed up. > > > > Hopefully some others will chime in here and let me know how > > they feel about this. Perhaps we should 'elect' a temporary > > project manager and just start getting things done. Perhaps > > that is a bad idea. I don't know, what does everybody > > think? > > > > I know some TODO lists/pages, let's take one example: the 5.3-R TODO > list, when Hiroki and I wrote it we removed some items to avoid a too > long and scary list, some items still haven't found a person to > work on... > We can do circles during a long time, the problem is not having someone > at the top of the pyramid etc., the problem is having people really > doing the work. From my point of view this thread is useless, I'd > prefer to see some real patches instead of long talks in the wind. As > you said (in something I did not quote) there's quite no risk of work > collision, so it's easy for anyone to find something that needs to be > fixed and work on it. And the more I read this thread, the more I think > we are trying to point the structure of docproj (persons) as responsible > of the current "bad" shape of the doc/ tree. Frankly, the doc/ tree > shape is not that bad, I'd even add it is in a good shape according to > readers complaints. So let's improve the docs in committing things and > not in thinking about "what might be a good way of think to find good > ideas to improve things" (hehe I'm not sure my last sentence is in > english). > To be serious, if you want some task/todo lists and some directions, the > doceng@ may take care of this, and since the doceng@ is not busy that > should not be a problem for this team to work on this task. Good! Have Murray stop doing random list additions along with non-discussed (rude) commits and pull him back into the silence that is doceng@ and have it go from there. Thank you -- Tom Rhodes