Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 14:24:30 -0700 From: Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com>, "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>, "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" <hackers@freebsd.org>, Kyle Evans <kevans@freebsd.org>, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>, Alan Somers <asomers@freebsd.org>, Arne Steinkamm <freebsd-arch@steinkamm.com> Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] Disallowing read() of a directory fd Message-ID: <202005152124.04FLOUNq007253@slippy.cwsent.com> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfoXnvUQNqOa6J7VcxrBpU7cP4MzXM=ip8t0wvJhE4PC2w@mail.gmail.com> References: <CACNAnaFp2d1E%2B5Vz9qdf_hXqtpHTnx_gkNQvVLcfjwNCs4Jjzg@mail.gmail.com> <202005151504.04FF423p040952@fire.js.berklix.net> <CANCZdfoXnvUQNqOa6J7VcxrBpU7cP4MzXM=ip8t0wvJhE4PC2w@mail.gmail.com>
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In message <CANCZdfoXnvUQNqOa6J7VcxrBpU7cP4MzXM=ip8t0wvJhE4PC2w@mail.gmail.c om> , Warner Losh writes: > On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 9:04 AM Julian H. Stacey <jhs@berklix.com> wrote: > > > kevans@ wasted FreeBSD time with threat of change at 2 days notice, > > for an issue unchanged since 1972. The rush was immature. > > > > kevans@ should retract his threat of forced urgent change, or expect > > core@ be asked to remove his commit bit while FreeBSD considers > > _un-rushed_, allowing sufficient time for all to consider options, > > & to warn users in RELNOTES of any potential future change. > > > > Threats are not tolerated in this project. This hyperbolic response has > gone on long enough. Please stop and treat your fellow committers with > respect and a certain level of professionalism. He's done none of the > nefarious things you've said (I've known about this changes for days if not > weeks as he socialized it, for example). He doesn't deserve this level of > grief over a proposal. It's a request for comments, not a request for abuse > and nasty behaviour. > > This whole thread has gone toxic / hyperbolic over a non-issue. You should > have stopped reading directories in 1983 when readdir was introduced > because UFS broke ls, find, du, etc. At best, it's a nice debugging tool > some folks don't want to lose. At worst, it causes bugs for programs that > accidentally read directories (and maybe some, like grep, need some minor > changes). It's not worth this much bile and venom. +1 -- Cheers, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com> FreeBSD UNIX: <cy@FreeBSD.org> Web: https://FreeBSD.org NTP: <cy@nwtime.org> Web: https://nwtime.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.
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