From owner-freebsd-bugs Fri Jul 24 06:39:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07401 for freebsd-bugs-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 06:39:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA07395; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 06:39:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hartong@erols.com) Received: from mhartong (207-172-41-214.s214.tnt10.brd.erols.com [207.172.41.214]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA25388; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:38:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Hartong" To: "Tim Gerchmez" Cc: , Subject: Re: My verdict on 2.2.7... Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:34:44 -0400 Message-ID: <01bdb707$d1db34a0$d629accf@mhartong.man.fs.lmco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim, If you have EVER done ANY software development and testing ( which by your comments I sincerely doubt), you would know that it is impossible to do comprehensive testing to eliminate ALL bugs. A developer simply does not have the ability to divine EVERY possible set of actions that a user will take, nor do they have EVERY possible configuration of equipment that a user will utilize. Developers rely on users to provide detailed feedback on what doesn't work so they can recreate the problem and how to figure out how to fix it. Simply whining about a problem without being willing to document it is nothing more than a total abdication of responsibility as a simple end user, let alone some one who claims to be a "casual hobbiest". If you claim to be a "hobbiest", then researching and documenting problems does give you something- an improved understanding of the O/S and it's functions, improved programming and improved testing skills, and improved communication skills when you convey the detailed nature of the problem to others. If all you can do is whine, especially about something that you got for free, without being part of the solution rather than a hindrance to it, then go else where. I for one, will not be sorry to see you leave- in the past three months all you have done is chew up the bandwidth, insult others with your demands, and give logical reasons to make people who might be able to help others more inaccessible to the all of those who are willing to work with them. Having been in both the Linux and FreeBSD communities, I doubt that your behavior will be tolerated by many people in the Linux community either. Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-bugs" in the body of the message