From owner-freebsd-net Fri Oct 27 15:23:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Received: from mail.interware.hu (mail.interware.hu [195.70.32.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E4A37B479 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monrovia-54.budapest.interware.hu ([195.70.53.246] helo=elischer.org) by mail.interware.hu with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1 (Debian)) id 13pHuJ-0006xN-00; Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:23:28 +0200 Message-ID: <39FA0056.8CB7D452@elischer.org> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:23:18 -0700 From: Julian Elischer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-net@Freebsd.org, "Gary T. Corcoran" Subject: Re: More on PPPoE & ADSL (Telstra Bigpond) References: <39F8C29F.D785C588@lucent.com> <39F9210E.B728D4F8@elischer.org> <39F9B679.CA563B9E@lucent.com> <39F9E669.FB8D77D2@elischer.org> <39F9F1FB.F00E686F@lucent.com> <39F9FFAD.2992767D@elischer.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Duh! I left you off the recipients list! (don't know if you are on -net) Julian Elischer wrote: > > "Gary T. Corcoran" wrote: > > > > Julian Elischer wrote: > > > > > no chance of adding a netgraph interface? > > > > Sure there's a chance - if I get some free time... ;-) > > But I'm not at all familiar with netgraph. I've never used it. > > What advantage would there be to adding it? (and can you point me > > to a sample driver that would show me what needs to be done?) > > for more info, look at: > http://www.daemonnews.org/200003/netgraph.html > > The drivers for if_sr.c and if_ar.c have been netgraphified, > (though they have some problems) > > also the following drivers have netgraph functionality: > dev/musycc/musycc.c > dev/usb/udbp.c > dev/lmc/if_lmc.c > > As well, the ethernet interfaces have been netgraphified > (netgraph/ng_ether.c) and I think that the i4b ISDN stuff > has some startings of netgraph compatibility. > > Basically the driver needs only handle whole FRAMES in an opaque manner > and let the other netgraph nodes handle all the protocol stuff. > (Why should a driver know about PPPOE?). > > > > > > ok ok so you already do pppoe but do you do multiple pppoe sessions with > > > ability to be a pppoe server? (which netgraph does.) > > > > No, I don't support multiple pppoe sessions. This card is geared to be > > used on a client on an ADSL line, where the downstream rate is much > > higher than the upstream - in other words much better at downloading > > than serving. :) And most DSL providers tend to get upset if you run > > a server from a residential service... :-) Most businesses use SDSL - > > symmetric DSL, which this card doesn't support. > > but some DSL providers allow you to select from one of several providers > on a single > DSL cloud. By allowing multiple sessions you can set up several > 'redundant' > links out through the single DSL link, to several > such providers to (hopefully) get aroung their breakages.. :-) > > > > > The other thing is that in order to support the PPP flavors of DSL (RFC2364), > > we have to load a sync PPP module. I used the syncppp.c code from FreeBSD, > > but it wasn't quite usable as-is so I had to tweak it. > > Since PPP and mpd know about netgraph they can just connect directly to > the netgraph interfaces offered after processing by the pppoe protocol > node. > mpd even does one better, by linking a kernel ppp netgraph node to the > pppoe node, and letting it handle all the ppp decoding in the kernel. > > > Of course that > > module is only providing PPP, not PPPoE - the DSL driver itself does the > > PPPoE negotiations before letting the PPP go through. Then it just adds/ > > subtracts the PPPoE wrapper on the frames (when in PPPoE mode). > > Why should a driver know about PPPOE? They are talking about using it > on cable systems too... shouldn't it be independent of the driver? :-) > > > > > Given this framework (ppp0 interface -> ltdsl driver), would netgraph > > fit in? Would the sync PPP code also have to be modified to use > > netgraph? In the other flavors of DSL (RFC1483), the DSL card appears > > as an ethernet device to the system. As you may be able to tell, without > > knowing what netgraph really does I'm a little bit at a loss as to how/why > > to use it... But if it's relatively easy to add support for netgraph, and > > it has some advantages for the user, then I'm willing to give it a shot... > > Have a read, and tell me what you think.. > > > > > Thanks, > > Gary > > -- > __--_|\ Julian Elischer > / \ julian@elischer.org > ( OZ ) World tour 2000 > ---> X_.---._/ presently in: Budapest > v -- __--_|\ Julian Elischer / \ julian@elischer.org ( OZ ) World tour 2000 ---> X_.---._/ presently in: Budapest v To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message