From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Wed Dec 21 04:39:01 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B638C89180 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 04:39:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.contact@marino.st) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7283D14BE for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 04:39:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.contact@marino.st) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 6ED99C8917F; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 04:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7A5C8917E for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 04:39:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.contact@marino.st) Received: from shepard.synsport.com (mail.synsport.com [208.69.230.148]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 471D614BD for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 04:39:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.contact@marino.st) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ip72-204-83-236.fv.ks.cox.net [72.204.83.236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shepard.synsport.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A931443BDF; Tue, 20 Dec 2016 22:37:40 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Subscription for committer To: Warren Block References: <20161217193514.GA22107@lonesome.com> <20161220022257.GA30196@lonesome.com> <23944cf2-852b-ef5b-7837-dfb084c2f32d@marino.st> Cc: Mark Linimon , Boris Samorodov , "ports@FreeBSD.org Ports" From: John Marino Reply-To: marino@freebsd.org Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 22:38:51 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 161220-1, 12/20/2016), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 04:39:01 -0000 On 12/20/2016 18:39, Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 19 Dec 2016, John Marino wrote: > >> On 12/19/2016 20:22, Mark Linimon wrote: >>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 07:07:06PM -0600, John Marino wrote: >>>> It's a natural reaction to stop attempting to contribute when previous >>>> contributions don't get "attention they deserve". >>> >>> Which some people (including me) see as odds with: >>> >>>> the impression that portmaster is officially recommended [has] to be >>>> stamped out >>> >>> People tend to put off working on topics that include "demands". >>> >>> It's just human nature. >>> >>> Plus, there are thousands of other PRs to work on that don't involve >>> such >>> charged language. Working on those is more rewarding and less >>> frustrating. >> >> It was decided that any implied recommendation for portupgrade and >> portmaster in FreeBSD documentation has to be removed. > > Obviously there is some disagreement on this point, as this long, > multiply-broken, renamed thread has shown. It wasn't up for discussion; portmgr made the decision on it and said it should be done. > >> The docs people are aware of the decision and are charged to implement >> it. > > As volunteers, committers are free to choose the work they want to do. Then give me authority to commit to documentation. This excuse is easily defused. >> It's not "my" demand. If valid PRs are in a moving queue, fine. If >> valid PRs are being conveniently and intentionally forgotten, I would >> say that's not fine. > > There is no queue. Volunteers choose the work they want to do. I am reluctant to point out the elephant in the room, but I think you know what I'm thinking. > >> and mcl: I challenge you to identify *ANY* offputting language in PR >> 214679. You can't just imply that it exists when it doesn't. > > There has been plenty of off-putting language outside of that PR > referring back to it, including some a few lines above. These are far > beyond demotivational. More of the same will not have a different effect. > > My apologies for extending this already too-long thread. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus