From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 15 22:47:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EBD106564A for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:47:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fernando.apesteguia@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A948FC14 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so32991bwz.13 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:47:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=N8BTY1dhnFA02sz9Fv3OUtQYc3tLvO9/cuTlW/aIg0A=; b=m2sFEdcBwWDDM9laQVT8nqkoXzJmb3WgsUiYxrTkgo5CM7FCvXjLlx+4XQIMak2w/n vxvFp8h/ecATFB6YfwuAMq+Co0QAaUBVaubHqtzpEq6QDKMNyKiNB+jFO6i5d54eXy9U 9cxEm/LFBqx072zyrYW6pSob9w5AjSiEFRbN4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=e+lLvFWOcvIZT9bmTxdLIJD8PlyVn2C9m3pWx1sW9L0GoQoMBl/5J3IJWfG+AB8jQU u+ks34meCCTYCdi6icPNEQY8EzIwHXi1KuWVEjRVwF260kVVo68Emq/SjDtGp5QPTSdT gtDAgCiOO1GssMpouyAJJHH2Hucaph6rh0D/8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.54.82 with SMTP id p18mr6675009bkg.205.1289861241171; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:47:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.136.211 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:47:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 23:47:21 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fernando_Apestegu=EDa?= To: Michael Powell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About FreeBSD kernel newbies X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:47:23 -0000 On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Michael Powell wr= ote: > Fernando Apestegu=EDa wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I was wondering if anyone has considered the creation of =A0a kernel >> newbies mail list for FreeBSD. >> I am aware of two places where someone can ask questions about that: >> either freebsd-hackers@ or the "FreeBSD Development" forum >> at http://forums.freebsd.org. >> >> I've been following the Linux kernel newbies list for a while and I >> think it is very informative. >> >> Would it be good to have such a list? >> > Can't say for sure myself, but certain points do spring to mind - mainly > based upon the fact than 'BSD's are not Linux. The main difference that > would apply is the separation in the Linux world between kernel developme= nt > and userland. Some work on the kernel while others package distros, addin= g a > userland to what kernel developers produce. > > FreeBSD is not Linux in that it is a complete operating system, kernel an= d > userland are developed together and distributed as a complete unit. Since > there is no separation between kernel and userland development maybe an Actually, there is separation. Although they are shipped as a one complete and integrated product, they do differ in the way they are developed. > alternate proposal might be for people coming to FreeBSD from the Linux > world to endeavor to learn and adjust to what has worked for the communit= y > well for many years now. In other words, leave the Linuxisms in Linux lan= d > and learn the FreeBSD-isms. Yes, that's one way to do it. In fact, that's probably one of the most straightforward ways to jump from Linux to FreeBSD. > > The FreeBSD community does try and function as a meritocracy for a lofty > goal. It may not be perfect, but it also does try and be open and look at > new ideas when they come around. Things not immediately dismissed out of > hand will be debated from the bottom up, and if by the time it percolates > upwards to the top it has survived many a thrashing it may just be > committed. > > So, no harm in proposing new ideas. Just keep in mind that many times suc= h > proposals have a limited lifetime and have actually been proposed before. > The community may have bandied the idea about and decided not to pursue i= t. > Then it is quickly forgotten until the next cycle comes around with some > newcomer proposing the same thing again. It happens. Witness the "Why Do = You > Have a Devil for a Mascot" meme that continues to resurface periodically > year after year. We got tired of that many years ago, but it just will no= t > go away... =A0:-) > > So if the larger community and it's reasoned approach decides a proposal = has > merit for whatever number of supporting arguments, and idea might just ta= ke > flight. Whatever I, as one individual, may think about any one idea/propo= sal > it is the larger community in general that will decide. It was just an idea. I don't really know if there is room for such list. Maybe it is better to ask questions (though they could have an 'obvious' answer) at freebsd-hackers@ or freebsd-current@ as Robert suggested. Regards. > > -Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" >