From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Apr 4 14:37:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mailman.thenap.com (mailman.thenap.com [209.190.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EB337B72D for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:37:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drew.weaver@thenap.com) Received: by mailman.thenap.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:51:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Drew J. Weaver" To: 'Chet Hosey' , Brian Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (still) (was: Named Keep crashing) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:51:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0BD51.64803BA0" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0BD51.64803BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Still don't catch the meaning? You're saying that somehow i'm inept to system security because my workstation is running on Windows? for no other reason than I have to use exchange to communicate with the rest of my workplace as a policy? I guess you certainly proved your point. I should shutup because obviously (since I use a windows machine for my workstation) I cannot possible have any idea what I talking about. I sure am glad you're around to put me in my place there big fella. Thanks again! -Drew -----Original Message----- From: Chet Hosey [mailto:chosey@nidhog.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 5:34 PM To: Brian Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Chasing the kiddies (still) (was: Named Keep crashing) Received: by mailman.thenap.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:17:35 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Drew J. Weaver" I _thought_ something was amiss . . . anyone know of any UNIX-based MTAs which call themselves "Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)"? How about Windows-based ones? :) ________________________________________________________________________ Chet Hosey ________________________________________________________________________ On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Brian wrote: > RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) > HTML sucks > > > Hey, that's a great idea. But how are you going to tell them about that > service? Security via obscurity? Yeah, that's like leaving your family > photo album open on your desk and expecting no one to look at them because > you didn't tell the people that the pictures were on your desk. > > As far as I'm concerned, a machine on the _internet_ is fair game. By being > fair, I ask that someone can look. They can look, but by no means can they > try to breach security. Otherwise, why the hell are you on the internet? > > I have a funny feeling you use Windows, and as a 32bit Windows advocate I'm > beginning to wonder. I have another feeling that I now know why Windows > gets a bad rap. If you do use Windows, I suggest you go hunting through > Microsoft's pages and ntsecurity.net. > > > One of my friends once said that you should be sanctioned bandwidth by the > amount of intelligence you have. In other words, stupid people sit on 56k > modems. I take it one step further, people who can't secure their machines > shouldn't be given static IP addresses. In other words, if you've got an > NT4 machine and still sit on Service Pack 3, you should be banned to DHCP > with no lease for the rest of your life. > > -Brian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Drew J. Weaver > To: 'Robert Hough' ; FreeBSD-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 5:17 PM > Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep crashing) > > Because if I wanted you using a service on one of my boxes you'd know about > it already, and wouldn't need to port scan my servers. > -Drew > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0BD51.64803BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Chasing the kiddies (still) (was: Named Keep = crashing)

        Still = don't catch the meaning? You're saying that somehow i'm inept to system = security because my workstation is running on Windows? for no other = reason than I have to use exchange to communicate with the rest of my = workplace as a policy? I guess you certainly proved your point. I = should shutup because obviously (since I use a windows machine for my = workstation) I cannot possible have any idea what I talking about. I = sure am glad you're around to put me in my place there big = fella.

Thanks again!

-Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Chet Hosey [mailto:chosey@nidhog.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 5:34 PM
To: Brian
Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: Chasing the kiddies (still) (was: Named = Keep crashing)


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I _thought_ something was amiss . . . anyone know of = any UNIX-based MTAs
which call themselves "Internet Mail Service = (5.5.2650.21)"?

How about Windows-based ones? :)

_______________________________________________________________= _________

Chet Hosey
<chosey@nidhog.com>
_______________________________________________________________= _________

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Brian wrote:

> RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named Keep = crashing)<flame>
> HTML sucks
> </endflame>
>
> Hey, that's a great idea.  But how are you = going to tell them about that
> service?  Security via obscurity?  = Yeah, that's like leaving your family
> photo album open on your desk and expecting no = one to look at them because
> you didn't tell the people that the pictures = were on your desk.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, a machine on the = _internet_ is fair game.  By being
> fair, I ask that someone can look.  They = can look, but by no means can they
> try to breach security.  Otherwise, why = the hell are you on the internet?
>
> I have a funny feeling you use Windows, and as = a 32bit Windows advocate I'm
> beginning to wonder.  I have another = feeling that I now know why Windows
> gets a bad rap.  If you do use Windows, I = suggest you go hunting through
> Microsoft's pages and ntsecurity.net.
>
>
> One of my friends once said that you should be = sanctioned bandwidth by the
> amount of intelligence you have.  In other = words, stupid people sit on 56k
> modems.  I take it one step further, = people who can't secure their machines
> shouldn't be given static IP addresses.  = In other words, if you've got an
> NT4 machine and still sit on Service Pack 3, = you should be banned to DHCP
> with no lease for the rest of your life.
>
> -Brian
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Drew J. Weaver
> To: 'Robert Hough' ; = FreeBSD-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 5:17 PM
> Subject: RE: Chasing the kiddies (was: Named = Keep crashing)
>
> Because if I wanted you using a service on one = of my boxes you'd know about
> it already, and wouldn't need to port scan my = servers.
> -Drew
>
> <snip>
>
>
> To Unsubscribe: send mail to = majordomo@FreeBSD.org
> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the = body of the message
>


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