From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 1 16:47:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F13537B401; Thu, 1 May 2003 16:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bunrab.catwhisker.org (adsl-63-193-123-122.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.123.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A0B43FAF; Thu, 1 May 2003 16:47:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david@catwhisker.org) Received: from bunrab.catwhisker.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bunrab.catwhisker.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h41NlAoV018937; Thu, 1 May 2003 16:47:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david@bunrab.catwhisker.org) Received: (from david@localhost) by bunrab.catwhisker.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h41Nl606018936; Thu, 1 May 2003 16:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 16:47:06 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <200305012347.h41Nl606018936@bunrab.catwhisker.org> To: www@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20030501224003.GD30996@submonkey.net> cc: peter@freesd.org cc: postmaster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Subscriptions to/for freebsd-ww@freebsd.org list? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 23:47:11 -0000 OK; this is a lightly-edited compendium of the relevant (IMO) discussion on the topic so far. I've tried to be clear about who wrote what. [dhw] >Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 23:40:03 +0100 >From: Ceri Davies >To: David Wolfskill >Cc: www@FreeBSD.org >Subject: Re: Subscriptions to/for freebsd-ww@freebsd.org list? >> >Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:25:01 -0700 >> >From: Peter Wemm >> >David Wolfskill wrote: >> >> We have 3 pending subscriptions for the freebsd-www@freebsd.org list >> >> so far. >> >> What are the criteria for accepting or rejecting such requests? >> >> I'm willing to take care of them, once I understand the application of >> >> an answer to that question. >> >... >> >Its probably best to ask the www/doc folks what the arrangement is supposed >> >to be. Part of Peter's response that I had elided was: ... The mailing list description from majordomo was: FREEBSD-WWW CLOSED List A mailing list that allows you to send mail to the Webmasters, the managers of FreeBSD Project web servers (not web servers that hosted on FreeBSD computers). >> OK, www@ folks: what is your pleasure on this? >I was under the impression (until seanc told me otherwise about 4 weeks ago, >as he was trying to subscribe) that www was an open list anyway. Do you know >who was looking after this before the move to mailman ? I do not. [I (dhw) no longer find the old majordomo configuration to check it.] >Also, are current subscribers to the freebsd-www@ list committers (or similar) >only? If not, I can't see any reason not to open the list to all subscribers, >but really we need to establish who has been approving subscription requests >all this time and ask them what grounds they were basing approval and denial on. >Ceri >-- >Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 18:40:16 -0400 >From: Tom Rhodes >To: Ceri Davies >Cc: david@catwhisker.org, www@FreeBSD.org >Subject: Re: Subscriptions to/for freebsd-ww@freebsd.org list? >*mumble* I still think that freebsd-www should be merged into freebsd-doc *mumble* >-- >Tom Rhodes >Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 00:51:06 +0200 >From: "Simon L. Nielsen" >To: Ceri Davies , David Wolfskill , > www@FreeBSD.org >Subject: Re: Subscriptions to/for freebsd-ww@freebsd.org list? >Well previously mortals have been able to subscribe - at least I have >been on www for some time... :-) >--=20 >Simon L. Nielsen Gven the above, it seems to me that at least one of * opening www@ up to all subscribers or * making www@ and doc@ refer to the same list is what is wanted. I can do the first trivially. I'm a little less certain about the second. Do we need special authority/dispensation to do this, or should I just go ahead and open up www@ (and approve the pending subscriptions) now? Thanks, david (current hat: postmaster@freebsd.org) -- David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org Based on what I have seen to date, the use of Microsoft products is not consistent with reliability. I recommend FreeBSD for reliable systems.