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Date:      Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:48:59 +0100
From:      Wilko Bulte <wb@freebie.xs4all.nl>
To:        Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org>
Cc:        alan bryan <alanbryan1234@yahoo.com>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org>, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com>
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD on Intel Macs?
Message-ID:  <20060112124859.GA44686@freebie.xs4all.nl>
In-Reply-To: <43C5B6F0.1050004@samsco.org>
References:  <20060111212605.79848.qmail@web34104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43C57A7A.3080802@elischer.org> <3e1162e60601111405x59e7e70dyf57c74b01e888e8a@mail.gmail.com> <43C5B4B2.9000707@elischer.org> <43C5B6F0.1050004@samsco.org>

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On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 06:54:56PM -0700, Scott Long wrote..
> Julian Elischer wrote:
> >David Leimbach wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>On 1/11/06, *Julian Elischer* <julian@elischer.org 
> >><mailto:julian@elischer.org>> wrote:
> >>
> >>    alan bryan wrote:
> >>
> >>    >I read that the new Intel (x86) Macs use EFI rather
> >>    >than the traditional PC Bios to boot up.  I'm
> >>    >interested in using one of these to multiboot OS X and
> >>    >FreeBSD and am wondering if it is yet known to work or
> >>    >not.  Do any changes need to be made to FreeBSD or
> >>    >should it work out of the box? Thanks for any insight
> >>    >and I know that it may be impossible to fully answer
> >>    >until people get their hands on the hardware but I
> >>    >just wanted to start thinking about the possibilities.
> >>    >
> >>    >
> >>    well if they can boot Darwin I'm sure they can be hacked to boot
> >>    FreeBSD.
> >>    It would probabty require a different bootloader binary.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>I don't see what booting Darwin has to do with booting FreeBSD.
> >
> >
> >
> >If they were bastards they could refuse to load anything that wasn't in 
> >some format or didn't
> >decrypt with some public key. I doubt they wouod do that but since they 
> >control the
> >horizontal and the vertical they COULD do it.
> >
> >It is possible that the boot loader sequence may require a stage that is 
> >in some format
> >supported by the apple firmware, depending on how wired down they have 
> >made it.
> >
> 
> Geez, please take off the tinfoil hat.  This has been an FAQ since about
> 3 seconds after the word 'Intel' escaped Jobs' lips in June.  Apple has
> quite clearly stated that they will not do anything to lock down the
> hardware from other OS's, just that they won't go out of their way to
> support anything other than OSX.
> 
> So, repeat after me: "APPLE IS NOT KILLING KITTENS AND CALLING YOUR

Not too surprising the abundance of cats over at jkh's residence ;)

> MOTHER DIRTY NAMES".  A gold star goes to the first person who boots

-- 
Wilko Bulte				wilko@FreeBSD.org



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