From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 12 12:49:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B343816A41F for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:49:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0027C43D45 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:49:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CCn24W044630; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:49:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CCn2VE044726; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:49:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id k0CCmxE7044725; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:48:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:48:59 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20060112124859.GA44686@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20060111212605.79848.qmail@web34104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43C57A7A.3080802@elischer.org> <3e1162e60601111405x59e7e70dyf57c74b01e888e8a@mail.gmail.com> <43C5B4B2.9000707@elischer.org> <43C5B6F0.1050004@samsco.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43C5B6F0.1050004@samsco.org> X-OS: FreeBSD 6.0-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: alan bryan , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Julian Elischer , David Leimbach Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Intel Macs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:49:12 -0000 On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 06:54:56PM -0700, Scott Long wrote.. > Julian Elischer wrote: > >David Leimbach wrote: > > > >> > >> > >>On 1/11/06, *Julian Elischer* >>> wrote: > >> > >> alan bryan wrote: > >> > >> >I read that the new Intel (x86) Macs use EFI rather > >> >than the traditional PC Bios to boot up. I'm > >> >interested in using one of these to multiboot OS X and > >> >FreeBSD and am wondering if it is yet known to work or > >> >not. Do any changes need to be made to FreeBSD or > >> >should it work out of the box? Thanks for any insight > >> >and I know that it may be impossible to fully answer > >> >until people get their hands on the hardware but I > >> >just wanted to start thinking about the possibilities. > >> > > >> > > >> well if they can boot Darwin I'm sure they can be hacked to boot > >> FreeBSD. > >> It would probabty require a different bootloader binary. > >> > >> > >> > >>I don't see what booting Darwin has to do with booting FreeBSD. > > > > > > > >If they were bastards they could refuse to load anything that wasn't in > >some format or didn't > >decrypt with some public key. I doubt they wouod do that but since they > >control the > >horizontal and the vertical they COULD do it. > > > >It is possible that the boot loader sequence may require a stage that is > >in some format > >supported by the apple firmware, depending on how wired down they have > >made it. > > > > Geez, please take off the tinfoil hat. This has been an FAQ since about > 3 seconds after the word 'Intel' escaped Jobs' lips in June. Apple has > quite clearly stated that they will not do anything to lock down the > hardware from other OS's, just that they won't go out of their way to > support anything other than OSX. > > So, repeat after me: "APPLE IS NOT KILLING KITTENS AND CALLING YOUR Not too surprising the abundance of cats over at jkh's residence ;) > MOTHER DIRTY NAMES". A gold star goes to the first person who boots -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org