From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Dec 9 1: 6:32 2000 From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 9 01:06:30 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE20337B400 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 01:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 144fxb-00061E-00; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 09:06:28 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.1/8.11.0) id eB9968705680; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 10:06:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 10:06:08 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Terry Lambert Cc: Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Borg SRM? Message-ID: <20001209100608.A5607@freebie.demon.nl> References: <90rtam$1r30$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> <200012090535.WAA06843@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200012090535.WAA06843@usr08.primenet.com>; from tlambert@primenet.com on Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 05:35:17AM +0000 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 05:35:17AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Are there systems recently manufactured, for which SRM is not > > > available? > > > > No. > > I was under the impression that there were a lot of Alpha > systems without SRM capability to be had for very cheap, > now that they won't run NT, what with there not being an > Alpha NT to run. Most of the ones on OnSale and eBay fall > into this category. Generally speaking I think you are refering to the PC-like Alpha XL and XLT machines. These only have ARC/AlphaBIOS because they were designed & mfgd by DEC's PC division. There is a second group of machines that have hacked-SROM code that makes them unusable with VMS/Tru64. These are the white-box variants of the fully-capable Alphas that can do T64/VMS. These have SRM available. The white ones are cheaper. And FreeBSD can run on both white and full-blown (blue) boxes because FreeBSD understands the SROM hack. See the source code for more info. > pretty current, or there wouldn't be qestions about MILO > and ARC still being posted to the -alpha list... if they > weren't an issue, then the questions would have already > faded away. Instead, it seems to me that the people > asking the questions are being beaten away with a stick. > Intimidating people into not asking is not the same as > them not asking on their own. ARC/AlphaBIOS-only machines are boat anchors unless used with Linux. As we all know Linux is not everybodies' favorite. Hence the call fro FreeBSD on them ;-) -- Wilko Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands wilko@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message