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Date:      Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:06:04 -0800
From:      "Chris H" <portmaster@BSDforge.com>
To:        "Kurt Jaeger" <lists@opsec.eu>
Cc:        <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Procmail Vulnerabilities check
Message-ID:  <3d6a0f2bf42334313a40264b80aad46b@udns.ultimatedns.net>
In-Reply-To: <20171211194511.GD2827@home.opsec.eu>

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On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:45:11 +0100 "Kurt Jaeger" <lists@opsec=2Eeu> said

> Hi!
>=20
> > Let me attempt to make my point another way (and stay closer to topic)=2E
> > A user is able to accomplish more from sendmail in base, than with any
> > other MX port in base alone=2E
> [list of sendmail features shortend for brevity]
>=20
> > Many of the other MX software in the ports tree provide a subset of
> > the shortlist I mentioned above=2E But none of them offer them all=2E
>=20
> So if sendmail is a pkg/port, it would still have those features ?
>=20
> Is a
>=20
> pkg install sendmail
>=20
> such a huge step ? And btw, even if sendmail has all those features,
> I can tell you that even when I first attend my first sendmail workshop,
> approx=2E 27 years ago, I still would not know how to implement them
> with sendmail=2E
>=20
> > I were an MX administrator=2E Would I not want all the options/help
> > I could get to defend myself against attack?
>=20
> I still don't get the difference if sendmail would be a port/pkg=2E
>=20
> Oh, btw, if sendmail can do all this, wouldn't it be useful to
> have a suitable config that does all this right out of the box ?
>=20
> Because, honestly, I would not know how to enable all those features=2E=2E=2E
>=20
> > True=2E But if I'm selling a Server targeted OS=2E Don't I want to
> > advocate server grade services?
>=20
> But the distribution channel of the software for that service
> (base or port) does not sound as the relevant factor for the
> end-user, or does it ?
OK=2E So if I'm understanding this all correctly; All the (FreeBSD) worlds
a package=2E So what am I arguing for Sendmail in base for? It makes no
sense -- everything's a package=2E Am I getting warmer? :-)
If so=2E Then where does it end? How many packages must I install to get a
"standard" Server install? I'm going to want cp(1), fsck(8), mkdir(1),
gpart(8),=2E=2E=2E
Wow! filling /bin/, and /sbin/ will take an awful lot of packages, and I
haven't had time to consider /usr/bin/, and /usr/sbin/ ! ;-)
As I understand it, the $BASE package is going to amount to what one
would expect, and need to get (at least) a usable system=2E IMHO *mail*
is an important part of *any* system=2E Oh wait=2E This is intended as part
of a simple *desktop* system? Because that's the audience FreeBSD is
currently targeting? OK than no *real* need for a robust MX there=2E As
they'll likely just be using their ISP for an MX, and only *really* need
a MX *client*=2E OK that makes more sense=2E :P
I'm only advocating that if $BASE is intended for a reasonable/minimal
Server base install=2E That an MX *is* an important part of that definition,
and that Sendmail be *that* MX=2E :-)

Thanks for playing along, Kurt=2E :-)

--Chris

P=2ES=2E Indeed=2E Sendmail, *can* be installed as a package, and still work,
as I think, can *anything* else=2E But *where* does it all end -- It's
*mad* I tell ya!
>=20
> --=20
> pi@opsec=2Eeu            +49 171 3101372                         3 years to=
 go
> !





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