From owner-cvs-all Wed Dec 9 17:26:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA29166 for cvs-all-outgoing; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:26:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ceia.nordier.com (m2-15-dbn.dial-up.net [196.34.155.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA29083 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:25:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rnordier@nordier.com) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by ceia.nordier.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id DAA08304; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 03:15:52 +0200 (SAT) From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199812100115.DAA08304@ceia.nordier.com> Subject: Re: problem reports In-Reply-To: <27623.913250391@zippy.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Dec 9, 98 04:39:51 pm" To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 03:15:50 +0200 (SAT) Cc: rnordier@nordier.com, imp@village.org, archie@whistle.com, vanmaren@fast.cs.utah.edu, committers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I'd quite like to see something like a -bugs "swat" team: a couple > > of people who are essentially prepared to *accept* rather than > > assign responsibility for resolving PRs. > > Sounds good to me. However, every time I've tried to pin the swat > team badge on various poeple, they've either run away or asked for > money to do it on an ongoing basis. :-) At present, committers have to do their detective work, argue the case, and then act as judge (in a manner of speaking). I like a trial by jury approach: no individual is forced to deal with any given PR; but there is a default result and a timeout. So there's collective responsibility for ensuring that Bad Things Don't Happen. I think even an incorrect proposal can be a useful step towards resolving a PR: it breaks the ice and frees up the log jams. So the swat team member needs responsibility and commonsense more than in-depth knowledge. The role could be sort of like a public prosecutor. (No-one likes courts or lawyers, but they do resolve insoluable problems on a daily basis, and mostly keep the peace.) I guess I'm saying, if you can't fill the post, change the job just enough so you can fill it. :-) -- Robert Nordier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message