From nobody Mon Mar 9 19:17:24 2026 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4fV6GW26Czz6Tm9q for ; Mon, 09 Mar 2026 19:17:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yaneurabeya@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pl1-x630.google.com (mail-pl1-x630.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::630]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4fV6GV5X3kz3rXw for ; Mon, 09 Mar 2026 19:17:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yaneurabeya@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-pl1-x630.google.com with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-2ab232cc803so55732585ad.3 for ; Mon, 09 Mar 2026 12:17:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1773083856; x=1773688656; darn=freebsd.org; h=to:references:message-id:cc:date:in-reply-to:from:subject :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Hi+HZul9uxRDi1cKXd30wV19JVQzGta+z1QAjurG5jQ=; b=aLVkcFc9qzbzGZxM/geZu5WczOu/mtjnVcfajtvgx6jtcrNqhhfTMTZ+MQczFXvkbp 3KK4Uninxk/dOQ2ez65q47OHk0jWf49wBr/n39SKQFRADfMKLJ0OLHnnOQhTmRhpquoP 8M2SsNtwTN+f37P/TFoL9ksYDxI+PSWLbGprCIh47KPg57YUn/G3K59RrpCAtTpKp3R/ IlpzCFoTjw2hr5LIyzPdgG663u6R9zb/um21I65inwrvaPh8zipLeqx+Kh4Ugg00W2+A qQ5fxJk2GvqxPOM/W3sL91Sg34BK7kVxNPn0duRPEYRCf7vszMZj0nCy/QX/GOivU+GF x7cQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1773083856; x=1773688656; h=to:references:message-id:cc:date:in-reply-to:from:subject :mime-version:x-gm-gg:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=Hi+HZul9uxRDi1cKXd30wV19JVQzGta+z1QAjurG5jQ=; b=t3hsYNeB8G35IstKTeSpH9TBSHa8ZTeQj2SViuiuDFpwJG7gpIGp4ulc7eqOIgkJC/ +SU4RkuDsVlVo7xqNC2IBFGoU0TiKI65wCscxLgfyTsqTT/JcGnD1tRS62rCGZGF7x8n CciOCX+x7zRj1QHRBzwbU+QOICUmLlmOfzGTTHirBPoIQJ3qAPc/m71csyhpOHLhw+ib MWN5lU9OatAYz2qS1iWcKAJHcOwMxZ8sl95fseBUd8pdRqh1TqOVTuP0SvfWSdnwGcBo wzgo0RvG6PQFE4SGswcvhF2CaE+XYNF5/5KGaSM4wzJBW6ouZsGd7uc5VOrn6vovZxoG 3bSA== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCX7eAO0iAEgbR2ouA38Rw+5ek33U4dCdeZl7Am5iPfPBHlJE0drr5/DSVuj5QbAtTRCCpMGJNum1Wpm5LGkXC0=@freebsd.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyUwu6myNY2HEsEz/O01AuR0xsW4amS+oR2RJnuiSOIPgL+xOzI NFrJmh7gK+EhyeTZL/cGkh5RDoPiTUGhE0vV5uTBH559X7tpHR8Mv+YT X-Gm-Gg: ATEYQzy4UarolGqW+unBQK7feBLLEaYh+nF4Ar3Flc17tmRWlc1uZwIzRVSfncQzQHd pLvHeukRlNjhL8pWzBJY4ygIvPHbApY2zzlcqYbejtRSJ0HJkmQHY+OD/Va1Sy8WB11/7gf8GyL YjYfF1RdbA6opLFmZrSWJFmLupjCgTCSGeEyHftzdAx3uwaSEbxklVQiooyCXv0oU+PLqN5Sj2K 0v6wR4oYKRAcQV6uJ/ZCCmqS58pgSBEsnmA0/B06FauAypXfB+VmaRgljojt7fsbZawYIv/BSFn gsDXDxyZsvSGLg6vAhrZtBYl3P+hCSOUZpPWgncXU+ZbqO73gFyDnOLZ/bYUAFlLPEZYZRD9KBE 6iWJ6eaTNOpIIXf8FQbPmHZLTs7MVF9qUhw9TmOgpQ0F8caE0U4EseyRrnTbSkuVR7YYotVW9Mx 6xxpAjyme8SuiqAw7kNc42IrECbp6ToZ++3uNEk7eB X-Received: by 2002:a17:903:3c4d:b0:2ae:3e4a:3cb8 with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-2ae8249ce25mr131003445ad.53.1773083856121; Mon, 09 Mar 2026 12:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([176.100.43.23]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d9443c01a7336-2ae840be379sm122764555ad.87.2026.03.09.12.17.35 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Mar 2026 12:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B08EAA5E-5A50-49E0-86E3-B1224C8AC0C9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.700.81.1.4\)) Subject: Re: Practical suggestions for resolving the Age Verification problem From: "Enji Cooper (yaneurabeya)" In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2026 12:17:24 -0700 Cc: vermaden , Vincent Bentley , "freebsd-pkg@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org" Message-Id: <499C3458-BED3-47FD-A778-B5A17CD79390@gmail.com> References: <08dc619e-955a-438d-86ba-751b1fa63bce@vincentbentley.co.uk> To: Warner Losh X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.700.81.1.4) X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4fV6GV5X3kz3rXw X-Spamd-Bar: ---- --Apple-Mail=_B08EAA5E-5A50-49E0-86E3-B1224C8AC0C9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Mar 9, 2026, at 10:43=E2=80=AFAM, Warner Losh = wrote: >=20 > The man page is wrong. It may be required, but usually isn't.=20 =E2=80=A6 > On Mon, Mar 9, 2026, 11:39=E2=80=AFAM vermaden = wrote: > Lucas Holt from MidnightBSD just created aged(8) here: > - https://github.com/MidnightBSD/src/tree/master/usr.sbin/aged It looks like someone wrote an unauthenticated, unencrypted network = daemon that listens on IPv4 and writes to a sqlite3 database that = contains incorrectly calculated user ages. Why in the hell are people even bothering to waste their time and make = more insecure systems when it=E2=80=99s obvious BS that needs to be = pushed back hard on because it has no practical sense in = implementing=E2=80=A6? I=E2=80=99m going to laugh so hard if Linux (or = any other OS distribution) decides that they need to replicate this = pattern of messy PII gathering and future leaking. 1+ extra useless = processes per container because the some idiots in Congress or = Parliament decided it was needed, or listened to lobbyists pushing for = this implementation. Just, no. Politicians who support this are fucking idiots (I don=E2=80=99t= use that phrase lightly), need to be taken out to pasture, and turned = into Soylent Green. -Enji= --Apple-Mail=_B08EAA5E-5A50-49E0-86E3-B1224C8AC0C9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEkHfexGRJ3gYRdA2gGpE5DjPsNJgFAmmvHMQACgkQGpE5DjPs NJiNJQ/+J1b2TWG6S7Li5nbC/Gs/K7PwEdOGQEcyOzNyBOjzeooKal/jyHLuhWGb dH3uix3qKf5oSZ8O4B/jTc+bZx71hwTP19PYi3aI0SXJ1UXDRWs/cMqrLB14DIWi q+QfiiBoXaNKq+mmet7QrswaPLnR7UuKV2/qhw72aMf5tDRuGwA4jS02r8B3lE3W sIfK7uCVtmqr1ZY+OL/W7eP4Q3hqqHoPLYoiFTh06Ga+GeawLM5r5ucutJzpK0ni aaAIMTBABqbL5rGP+kcanaEUegi5+2Hx6yEiXCs9y0quLi4FhgcEmlGEfcRBNj03 RZuxn0g054U/OHqKhCdugi+xzbC+JM0dcbs72GM5+vka8hVfPSd7kiFRyMO3XcsD ipZ94Tlspurm1dhRQPPlaZZAi8NIeuDS7AP72ltkx+HS2z21HXvzanIJefpgACuK KTAabSthXSarnpsQY31OOXZefctWm9ZTwPhQgSJu052cK7uy3rMIu65RJ/t4NtwI 1aOX/NXywq2f+gIvBjxrFsEfcpmU4uB1Oa2ShUTp+b0gcBh43emwNMuIzZdTO9H2 d6kGQc5QCZBKzOeLJVnbLKFcnIQMlGmO9wGAwe/LYBp9oad4EuKXa/5M+ycmWOHF qfWuMvNwn5jQ4bcU2IG87xhSYmyyTct3y9tskccE3/XBaOHlvos= =wudf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_B08EAA5E-5A50-49E0-86E3-B1224C8AC0C9--