Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:10:31 -0500 From: Alex Goncharov <alex-goncharov@comcast.net> To: Alexander Motin <mav@FreeBSD.org> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 8 to 9: Kernel modularization -- did it change? Message-ID: <E1RyRKJ-000Ioa-Ec@hans3> In-Reply-To: <4F3E8225.9030501@FreeBSD.org> (message from Alexander Motin on Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:36:53 %2B0200) References: <CAOjFWZ6WM1bLEwaBiUE50Gj4MrwxefDWFb85ecRtYkSDuZ0erg@mail.gmail.com> <mailpost.1329495670.7246668.67851.mailing.freebsd.hackers@FreeBSD.cs.nctu.edu.tw> <4F3E8225.9030501@FreeBSD.org>
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,--- You/Alexander (Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:36:53 +0200) ----* | On 02/17/12 18:20, Alex Goncharov wrote: | > How do I find the correct hint if I can't reload the sound module in | > the new kernel environment and explore 'dmesg', '/dev/sndstat' and the | > physical headphones with the new hint without a reboot? | > | > Stick something in a file (/boot/device.hints or /boot/loader.conf), | > reboot and see if it works... if it doesn't put a different | > combination of 'cad', 'nid' and 'seq' and reboot?... And again and | > again, till it works?.. | | Improved HDA driver in HEAD allows to change CODEC configuration via | sysctls on fly without unloading. I am going to merge it to 9/8-STABLE | in few weeks. If somebody wants to write nice GUI for it -- welcome! ;) Being mostly a FreeBSD freeloader (or a marginal contributor), I shouldn't be complaining, and I am not, but permit me to make a personal biased judgment: losing the ability to do a practically important thing (a dynamic sound card tuning) which was available in 8, makes 9 a "not ready to be released" OS (GUI isn't relevant here.) OK, I'll put my upgrades to 9 on hold... Thanks all for clarifying the situation! P.S. As an aside and IMHO: Over the last year, I've been asking myself why I keep bothering with FreeBSD when several Linux distros do everything painlessly out of box. Obviously, I like FreeBSD general structure a lot, that's why. FreeBSD won't miss me going back to Linux, but I may miss FreeBSD, so I am still sticking on, but I see a lot of dangers to FreeBSD being a meaningfully used platform, for various reasons (some of them have been mentioned in several discussions on freebsd-stable.) Breaking POLA in a released OS, which I see with this sound card tuning issue, doesn't add FreeBSD friends... -- Alex -- alex-goncharov@comcast.net --
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