From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 21 04:59:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA23256 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:59:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (ppp-db.dialup.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA23229 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:59:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA07457; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 03:28:14 GMT (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199808210328.DAA07457@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: Mike Smith , Brian Somers , Brian Feldman , Terry Lambert , bde@zeta.org.au, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, jwd@unx.sas.com Subject: Re: 13 months of user time? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:07:49 +0200." <938.903694069@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 03:28:14 +0000 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message <199808210241.CAA05733@dingo.cdrom.com>, Mike Smith writes: > >> > >> >[...] the machine I was having problems with was > >> >running apm, so it used the i8254 timecounter rather than the tsc > >> >counter. > >> > >> Ahh... I bet that is it: APM sucks. > >> > >> Try to disable APM and see if you can reproduce it, I'll bet you > >> my collection of genuine 11 row punched cards that you can't. > > > >We've already had a respondent indicate that they are seeing the > >symptoms on non-APM systems. > > I didn't see that, and I doubt it until the repondent double-checks > his bios settings... With no APM in the kernel, the BIOS is not at liberty to play with the clock. (No connect, no enable.) You're welcome to check the archives, if you wish. I also consider it a fault in our timing support if it can't handle time moving forwards at a variable rate. "APM" doesn't send the clock backwards, so no time interval should ever be negative. Please take this issue seriously. You can't just handwave and say "it's all APM's fault". -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message