From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 12 21:34:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2842614FB8 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:34:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA67907; Wed, 12 May 1999 21:34:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: "David Schwartz" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/pci pcisupport.c In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 May 1999 20:12:35 PDT." <000101be9cee$72a70310$021d85d1@whenever.youwant.to> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:34:37 -0700 Message-ID: <67903.926570077@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Perhaps this is something unique to FreeBSD then. The vast majority of the > good product ideas I have ever heard came from 'mere' users of the product. This would be true except for the fact that just about all the "good ideas" have pretty much been suggested already. FreeBSD should have better desktop support, FreeBSD should support laptops, someone should make unionfs/lfs/devfs/yaddayaddafs work, FreeBSD should have a better default look-and-feel for the X setup, FreeBSD should make everything be a package rather than just the add-on bits. These are all good ideas which have also been suggested at least, oh, 500 or 600 times. :-) What we lack is the manpower to go DO those things and this is why many developers now take the attitude of "fine idea, now GO DO IT PLEASE", not because they want to be arrogant a**holes but because they're just good and sick of hearing the same set of good ideas repeated over and over but not seeing any hands actually raised to go off and do the actual work. It's also a sad fact that many users won't take "fine idea, but we lack the time to do this" as a final answer, coming back instead with lots of "but it should be SIMPLE! LINUX DOES THIS!" sorts of rebuttals which do not endear them to us at all. For a lot of developers, they don't even want to be bothered any more if the suggestion doesn't have diffs appended to it. Good ideas we have lying around in heaps, just waiting for someone to implement them. Implementors, rather less. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message