From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 23 13:29:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD45516A4CE; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:29:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6561743D45; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:29:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dodell@sitetronics.com) Received: from [213.51.128.132] (port=47464 helo=smtp1.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ChT20-0002Ph-Fm; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:29:28 +0100 Received: from cc740438-a.deven1.ov.home.nl ([82.75.136.183]:4167 helo=[192.168.1.42]) by smtp1.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ChT1z-00058D-Aw; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:29:27 +0100 Message-ID: <41CAC836.1080402@sitetronics.com> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:29:26 +0100 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Zimmermann References: <39703F0F.4E843084.3F8EDD3A@cs.com> <34514.212.202.153.78.1103806722.squirrel@www.aegisnet.biz> In-Reply-To: <34514.212.202.153.78.1103806722.squirrel@www.aegisnet.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD's Visual Identity: Outdated? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:29:39 -0000 Carsten Zimmermann wrote: > Hello - [snip] > The website: The website is fine. It serves its purpose as stated before. > But imagine being a network technician convincing your employer to move > applications to The Great OS. I think the current FreeBSD website pretty > much suggests as FreeBSD being a `geek´ project. It can't be our aim that > FreeBSD is considered unserious, FreeBSD definately needs trusting > companies to raise its market penetration. And company's stake holders are > (most often) easily tempted by visual impressions. Thus, the website > itself is the primary marketing material in my eyes and I think there is > great need of redesigning it in the midterm view. > > That much from me, > Carsten > [snip] I really hate to have to say this in such a crude way, but this discussion has always and will always boil down to this: put up, or shut up. There are a LOT of goals that have been set for this project, and nobody has ever stepped up to help do them. Don't know what to do? The thread's really in the archive, go check it out! Other ideas to discuss? Put a bit of energy behind it and do the things instead of discussing them. Again, sorry for the coarseness, but people never seem to understand this when this subject is brought up. Kind regards, Devon H. O'Dell