From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 14 12:40:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from postal2.es.net (postal2.es.net [198.128.3.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECBB37B400 for ; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ptavv.es.net ([198.128.4.29]) by postal2.es.net (Postal Node 2) with ESMTP id GQF37091; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:40:33 -0700 Received: from ptavv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FEA5D06; Tue, 14 May 2002 12:40:33 -0700 (PDT) To: "Geoffrey C. Speicher" Cc: Nuno Teixeira , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: enable/disable softupdates in rc init idea In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 14 May 2002 14:39:18 EDT." Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:40:33 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20020514194033.13FEA5D06@ptavv.es.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:39:18 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Geoffrey C. Speicher" > > On Tue, 14 May 2002, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > OK. I'm a bit confused. Why do you need to be doing this? Turn on > > softupdates on the various file systems when you install the > > system. If it's already built, live with a single drop to single-user > > mode and turn softupdates on. > > I think the point was that there is no access to the console to use > single-user mode, because of colocation or some similar circumstance. > > However, since remote rebooting is an option, Nuno's proposal is a viable > option for colocated hosts to enable softupdates. I can't think of > anything better, except for maybe somehow supporting network consoles. Ahh. I missed the point, I guess. I insist on console connections for ALL co-lo stuff. A Lightwave terminal server with 16 ports and a POTS line is adequate for all of our equipment at any co-lo. So I just never consider that others would prioritize differently. If all else failed, I think I'd rather build a new system disk and send it to the co-lo than try this type of modification without a console. Running a system with no console access is an invitation to disaster whether it's a server, router, switch, or anything else. FWIW, the Lightwave runs Linux from flash (no disk drive) and has OpenSSH for in-band connections as well as an internal modem. A very nice box. Of course, I'd like it better if it ran FreeBSD. :-) R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message