Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 08:07:23 -0600 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: Devin Teske <dteske@freebsd.org> Cc: Kyle Evans <kevans@freebsd.org>, src-committers <src-committers@freebsd.org>, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r334939 - head/stand/lua Message-ID: <CANCZdfrtK_Cn1N2RE=f5DS_UNLq6C493LUNwQoHvYX06noVZxg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <E6FA26B8-63CF-4927-AE20-644D985BACD8@freebsd.org> References: <201806110132.w5B1WI5d094546@repo.freebsd.org> <E6FA26B8-63CF-4927-AE20-644D985BACD8@freebsd.org>
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On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:36 AM, Devin Teske <dteske@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > > On Jun 10, 2018, at 6:32 PM, Kyle Evans <kevans@FreeBSD.org> wrote: > > > > Author: kevans > > Date: Mon Jun 11 01:32:18 2018 > > New Revision: 334939 > > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/334939 > > > > Log: > > lualoader: Allow brand-*.lua for adding new brands > > > > dteske@, I believe, had originally pointed out that lualoader failed t= o > > allow logo-*.lua for new logos to be added. When correcting this > mistake, I > > failed to do the same for brands. > > > > You=E2=80=99re doing an amazing job, Kyle. > > I continually see nothing but genuine effort toward feature parity which > makes me think one day I can pass the reigns. > > Yeah, I will always love Forth. It will always hold a special place in my > heart as that whacky language that simultaneously exudes great power whil= e > also having the image ability to induce vomiting =F0=9F=A4=AE by the unin= itiated. > > However, all that being said, I=E2=80=99d actually like to keep the Ficl = boot > stuff as an option through to 14.0 and here is why ... > > Last year we were looking to update from ficl3 to ficl4. That may not > sound too exciting to most folks, but most folks don=E2=80=99t know the p= ower that > ficl4 brings =E2=80=94 like the capability to use full networking in the = loader! > Can lua do that? How cool would it be to be able to communicate with the > network from the loader before the kernel is even loaded into memory? I h= ad > a few hair-brained schemes left for Forth which might be exciting, lol > The current boot loader can already communicate via NFS or TFTP today. Adding http would be easy, https would be harder due to crypto being huge and space being small (though bear ssl might be small enough). The last articulated plan in arch@ was that LUA will be default in 12, and we plan to remove FORTH in 13. Last time I said it there in February, there was only email agreeing that I could find. This matches the in-person consensus poll I took at BSDcan as well. I think it would take a very extraordinary set circumstance and severe problems with LUA to change those plans. Warner
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