From owner-freebsd-net@freebsd.org Thu Oct 4 16:21:11 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-net@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76AA910B17E6; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 16:21:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevin@your.org) Received: from mail.your.org (chi02.mail.your.org [204.9.55.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2316B7734A; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 16:21:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevin@your.org) Received: from mail.your.org (chi02.mail.your.org [204.9.55.23]) by mail.your.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D683A433D86; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 16:21:03 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=your.org; h=content-type :mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= selector1; bh=Ub5B3JAvXr1w0aAon9vpA15qJtY=; b=TMJKve9G5Sm8YRqvPP IDSa//zIxUUWaHjTd5sIqcFlzOSQXmfrZy+p2lCblGpmEmr7w2x7Ju85wwfl1S16 G+fT/FeVD214sdElXPcR9I2MsiirjmAeFw933y8KvhpMWprhmu5CJ9DbieKBHKAe BZ9iY92Yq8t1kDqVXB7SMqUxQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=your.org; h=content-type :mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; q=dns; s= selector1; b=m4EgeILpTGFGe3BFxowLIz717J+dhThiKZi1Lbl53Eq39G5Y/yL t2hHMgpbsH4BZ7KYaqFJDLXoY7g1NrceWKvTU7gRsAPri+QZoB8LYUKIATJo59c1 n11TmI43kp3xgTTK356OdNg+n76q2VgIxN+kibkYT2QXC3Siwjm3DXgw= Received: from unassigned.v6.your.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4978:1:45:f964:f9ab:54b2:c38d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.your.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AB02D433D85; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 16:21:03 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) Subject: Re: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers From: Kevin Day In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 11:21:03 -0500 Cc: luciano@vespaperitivo.it, FreeBSD Net , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <43356262-A30B-4B4E-AB81-DE79DB985806@your.org> References: <20181003210516.GA71565@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> <45c44128-85cb-5b4c-3af3-cbdf1560c9be@grosbein.net> <42Qt573dbmz1ftWT@baobab.bilink.it> To: Warner Losh X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 16:21:11 -0000 > On Oct 4, 2018, at 7:58 AM, Warner Losh wrote: >=20 > On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 6:53 AM Luciano Mannucci = > wrote: >=20 >>> While I have no objection for general direction, I have doubts about >> removal >>> of ste(4) and especially rl(4). These are cheap 100Mbit VERY popular = NICs >>> sold in enourmous values in certain markets by vendors like D-Link = and >>> TP-Link using various trade names. >>=20 >=20 > Enough people are using rl that it's off the list by my count. If you need any extra data, rl is the only one that I'd be sad to lose = as well. We have a lot of embedded devices that are still shipping today = with rl chips. I could chip in a little to sponsor someone to modernize = the driver if needed.