From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Feb 14 14:02:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15417 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:02:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA15408 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:02:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from celeris (bangor-1.ime.net [209.90.195.58]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.3/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id RAA01449; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:02:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.19990214170107.03c0c730@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:01:38 -0500 To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com, Brett Glass , Gary Kline From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Windows Refund Day: Watch out for Linux tactics Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19990214135704.A13436@mooseriver.com> References: <4.1.19990214114417.03fa0480@mail.lariat.org> <199902132126.NAA14285@athena.tera.com> <199902132126.NAA14285@athena.tera.com> <19990213134206.A10635@mooseriver.com> <4.1.19990214114417.03fa0480@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm just kinda curious if Microsoft is closed tomorrow because tomorrow is a holiday.. :) At 04:57 PM 2/14/99 , Josef Grosch wrote: >On Sun, Feb 14, 1999 at 11:59:58AM -0700, Brett Glass wrote: >> At 01:42 PM 2/13/99 -0800, Josef Grosch wrote: >> >> >*NOTE* This has been moved to chat. >> > >> >BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) is also involved in this. BAFUG has >> >been coordating the Linux people here in the Bay Area to pull this >> >off. >> >> And the Linux people are doing everything in their power to make sure >> that the public thinks EVERYONE there is a Linux user. Note that the >> press report you quoted mentions ONLY Linux! My belief is that they >> intend to play the users of other operating systems who show up for >> patsies -- use them to strengthen the impression that everyone at >> the event uses Linux, and only Linux. > >No, brett this is not the case. I was interviewed by the San Jose Mercury >News and the reporter told me that all the Linux people he interviewed took >great pains to point out that there were other OSS beside Linux. They >emphasized that Linux is equal to FreeBSD in most ways and FreeBSD was >better in a good number of ways. > >> It's also worth noting that the Bay Area organizers are telling users >> of alternative operating systems that are NOT "open source" that they >> must do "separate" protests. This includes BSDi, as well as Solaris, >> BeOs, OS/2, NetWare, etc. They are also making sure that the URL that's >> popularized as having information about the event is the URL of a >> site devoted to Linux. They're turning the event not into a genuine >> protest against Microsoft's tactics but rather into a publicity stunt >> for their one alternative. > >Brett, I am confused how someone who is not here and does not know the >people involved can pretend to know what is going on. The above statement is >_NOT_ what is going on. Other OS people have been invited and a number of >them, such as Solaris and SCO will be there. The BeOs people have be asked >by Rick Moen a number of time to attend. They just can't seem to get their >act together. > >I have been running BAFUG for 2 years now (April in our 2nd anniversary) and >Nicole Harrington and I have been doing the Install-A-Thons for almost a >year now. I have never seen you at either the BAFUG meetings or the >Install-A-Thons. I have seen Duncan MacKinnon, Rick Moen and, Don Marti at >our meetings and Install-A-Thons. In fact, these hard-core Linux people and >others have shown up at most of our Install-A-Thons to help out with >promoting FreeBSD and installing FreeBSD. I can't count the number of times >I have heard Rick Moen say to people asking about Linux or FreeBSD that >FreeBSD has a better IP stack or VM system. He often tells people that if >they are running a web server that is getting 1000 hits a day that either >Linux or FreeBSD will do but if you are getting 1,000,000 hits a day you >had better be running FreeBSD, that Linux will just not hold up to that >kind of traffic. > >The truth of the matter is that here in the Bay Area the Linux and FreeBSD >camps work together based on the theory that "The enemy of my enemy is my >friend". We play very well together. Both camps are mature enough to >acknowledge the strengths of the other OS and weakness of their own >OS. You, on the other hand, are an ideologue and a zealot. Something that >most people including myself do not like. You are giving FreeBSD a bad >name. If you wish to be an ideologue, fine, just do it some where else. > >I have not seen you at any of the meetings and have never shown up to work >the Install-A-Thons. The only thing you have contributed to the Refund Day >effort is to piss and moan about how the evil Linux people are taking >over. To be very blunt, I am running this show and you don't have a say in >this. Let me ask you, are you running a users group in your area? Are you >running Install-A-Thons? What are you doing to promote FreeBSD beside >pissing and moaning? All you are managing to do is to get youself enshrined >in peoples kill filters. > >Brett, If you don't have something positive to contribute please have the >good grace to bugger off. --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange, Bangor Maine USA http://www.droo.orland.me.us PGP DSS/1024 Public Key ID: 0x409A1F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message