From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Wed May 15 16:13:08 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C829315979B6 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 16:13:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from will@firepipe.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 487DD93A27 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 16:13:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from will@firepipe.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 0975815979B4; Wed, 15 May 2019 16:13:08 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1A015979B2 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 16:13:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from will@firepipe.net) Received: from mail-qk1-x72a.google.com (mail-qk1-x72a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7CA5893A21 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 16:13:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from will@firepipe.net) Received: by mail-qk1-x72a.google.com with SMTP id a132so289647qkb.13 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 09:13:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=firepipe-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=rMEa1zDdJyvwxY45LX6vdxIxMYPAnK8e3fBGKBYQ7lA=; b=kfX9q7RS6r42HasJ3JnTH8BHAG8LRelN/bC9pYaTexA9pzXZH9UrLDCKnH0HEYU3Ng 1GYiAEnHbN48f9WEveXQSLH9/miu84wU4syzBJ3a9GExwxwyqYlI9lGATCLB+1UjI0YZ 7pX8yCu2hL6+iuQHHF/GzQ8yMCH+BTPw37X2PXBqNNrzDbv/OGC1A12Xm18pd820GUgY BeWCmzTP+s2X8eWEEU5ePJf7i+kv+4uEHioIyEKjMQItzSlaq9EXxUVcKzkmNiFQoOZg GwOAHXLHI7A2gCD1vEHclTkyMkp0nNmLMUzPTo644jaPsamgQUTEDdrdEKWOUdR1BxpH I00Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rMEa1zDdJyvwxY45LX6vdxIxMYPAnK8e3fBGKBYQ7lA=; b=O/1+yXMxDl9Z9/jWmxpSpdvSEjby8enTu85rrDOyncAocnobY2DrgWXqQElitwa7iR pAdMp7pOuRSdTMlnQq18w+VHOTkp7Wv5x8WiR1FMt5d8hmgVmqaDwEF651L1ujBI0aK5 QRqSFf7IhKsk31U6o8qF5oV3UgzsbJPHcDjCt8Y7K5hIVGZNDuZ2KBjUYSfrrNYLEirh 8BuVP4NmulaA7fiakdDDG8G1AaBwsIhlXBEaLs/O1cE89WT16W5zrhMCuEJVN2yH7Bpu e7e6l28Vq6dHBAwSzyXyqt8um90MdMEwyV0NQORWxQbNj+AdVz4qIjJRaD3OeZgIMurj wmOw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWYxWAdzoHaB9XqIC0CIduzGNfEV4WhxNrE6FFYK4zgBw6XZztc 0IFA/k25svgYCisJU3OgeX93ujjCp8yajyszDEKRYg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwdxqUIiSAqcuRit/VCgPOwOA/GG8gc9kygbXJ8MZO5W9L+EPMOLMi1D6vJu7Wd5Xhy7HWKc1ucNBnbv4zaf2A= X-Received: by 2002:a37:9103:: with SMTP id t3mr35068514qkd.78.1557936786926; Wed, 15 May 2019 09:13:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201905151544.x4FFiR0G067138@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <201905151544.x4FFiR0G067138@fire.js.berklix.net> From: Will Andrews Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 11:12:55 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD flood of 8 breakage announcements in 3 mins. To: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: Alan Somers , FreeBSD Stable ML , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Core Team X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7CA5893A21 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.97 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.973,0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 16:13:09 -0000 On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 10:45 AM Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Batching also means some of these vulnerabilities could have been > fixed earlier & less of a surge of demand on recipient admins time. > > An admin can find time to ameliorate 1 bug, not 8 suddenly together. > Avoidance is called planning ahead. Giving warning of a workload. > Like an admin plans ahead & announces an outage schedule for planned > upgrade. > > Suddenly dumping 8 on admins causes overload on admin manpower. > 8 reason for users to approach admin in parallel & say > "FreeBSD seems riddled, how long will all the sudden unplanned > outages take ? Should we just dump it ?" > Dont want negative PR & lack of management. > What admins prefer 8 downtime events instead of 1? --Will.