From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 29 20:41:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA891065672 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:41:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 65-241-43-5.globalsuite.net (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7573151296; Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4D9243E6.1020105@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:41:10 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110319 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Vande More References: <20110329013223.ddca7453.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <1301419646.71335.123.camel@xenon> <87B0CCF2B38381F29EE67BA4@utd71538.local> <4351D0CD39E5FC00C9A55C6C@utd71538.local> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Paul Schmehl , Jason Hsu , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Michal Varga Subject: Re: Best way to switch from Linux to BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:41:11 -0000 On 03/29/2011 13:20, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Paul Schmehlwrote: > >> Or just follow the instructions. If people really find that difficult >>> I'm not sure any OS is going to be the answer long term. If you do >>> enough computer use you'll have to follow instructions at some point. >>> >>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/desktop-browser >>> s.html >>> >>> Imagine that. And yet you can find numerous posts in questions from >> people who struggle with it. Must be stupid people then, huh? Paul, this is a good example of the kind of vitriol that isn't really helpful. Please tone it down. To address the content of your concern, I've been using flash on FreeBSD for a long time. It's gone through phases where it's been easier, harder, more and less successful. At the moment it's working pretty well, but I agree with you that it's not an ideal situation. However regarding the documentation, the URL that was posted has been stable for a long time ("years," can't tell you exactly how many). However, like a lot of other topics there is stale documentation outside of FreeBSD, and other generally bad advice that gets passed around from user to user. That's a difficult problem for us to address directly. >> Comparing Ubuntu and FreeBSD is a false choice Yes, that's sort of my point. :) Ubuntu is literally in a class by itself in terms of both the OOB and long-term use experiences. So if all you want is a Unix'y desktop OS (and you can't afford/don't want a mac), use it, and be happy. If you have other goals (such as learning Unix internals generally, or a specific OS) then you have other areas you can focus on, such as FreeBSD. Doug -- Nothin' ever doesn't change, but nothin' changes much. -- OK Go Breadth of IT experience, and depth of knowledge in the DNS. Yours for the right price. :) http://SupersetSolutions.com/