From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 5 17:18:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACE2106564A for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 17:18:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fb-chat@psconsult.nl) Received: from mx1.psconsult.nl (psc11.adsl.iaf.nl [80.89.238.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C018FC17 for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 17:18:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fb-chat@psconsult.nl) Received: from mx1.psconsult.nl (localhost [80.89.238.138]) by mx1.psconsult.nl (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n45GtOQn094161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 5 May 2009 18:55:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from fb-chat@psconsult.nl) Received: (from paul@localhost) by mx1.psconsult.nl (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id n45GtOu7094160 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 5 May 2009 18:55:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from fb-chat@psconsult.nl) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:55:24 +0200 From: Paul Schenkeveld To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090505165523.GA90651@psconsult.nl> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <49FF8F2E.60800@highperformance.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49FF8F2E.60800@highperformance.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Subject: Re: End of Life is Meaningless X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 17:18:25 -0000 On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 05:58:22PM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: > That should be read as "End of Life" is meaningless. Not end of "Life is > Meaningless." Life is still meaningless, as is this post if you disagree. > > It mystifies me that there is this recent tendency for people to get > concerned about EOL. "What do I do?" My answer, "Do nothing." Just > because a FreeBSD version is EOL doesn't mean you have to stop using it. > It doesn't mean that your particular version is suddenly prone to downtime. > It doesn't mean you can't install patches even though the secteam won't be > updating CVS. It doesn't mean you can't continue to develop applications > for a major version. > > EOL is a tool for FreeBSD to manage its own house. It is in no way a > directive on how you should manage your house. Queue someone still running > 2.1.5 with uptime stats. Come on. You know you want to show off. > > To the people who have to manage limited resources and must therefore > implement an EOL policy. I commend you on the balancing act. Good on ya > mates. Your doing a fine job. I have several servers and a couple of old notebooks running versions of FreeBSD that have been EOL'ed long time ago. They are not accessible from the Internet and I've got no potentially dangerous local users to worry about. On the other hand I administer dozens of FreeBSD systems for my own company and for customers that are connected to the Internet or other hostile networks. I prefer to upgrade those systems every now and then and certainly before they reach their EOL. Not upgrading for a long time, past EOL means that if a major vulnerability gets exposed I cannot simply do a small upgrade using a published fix but that I have to either fix it by hand, which can be time consuming if the sources have changed a lot since, or do a big upgrade probably skipping multiple releases to get to a supported (fixed) release exposing many challenges that I would have faced one by one and not under time pressure if I had done incremental upgrades. So I think the EOL issue is not a black and white issue, it all depends on many things. Whether you run a handful of systems or a whole lot of all different ones, what those systems are exposed to, the importance of the systems and data on them, whether you own the systems of you are responsible of someone elses systems and so on. My $0.02 Paul Schenkeveld