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( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q18sm7486805qbq.2007.12.03.14.15.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:15:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47547FEE.9040405@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:15:10 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Schmehl References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC/P] Port System Re-Engineering X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:15:14 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > ===> Cleaning for xdm-1.1.6_2 > > What was I supposed to find? Did you actually run xdm or just assume because it compiled that it was installed the same way in all cases... hint: the visual appearance varies signficiantly depending on what method you use. XDM is no not unique in this either just off the top of my head I can name the following ports that demostrate different behaviour depending on what order the are installed: gnome-office abiword boost openoffice-2 the entire set of jdk's perl (what is the difference between the 5.8.8 in the base system and the one in ports?!?!?!?) these are just the ones I have found after installing 2 mega metaports and the java stuff... god knows what is lurking out there > > Here's a hint that would help a *ton* of users. Don't try to > install a port until your ports tree is up to date. Completely up > to date - as is, run portsnap or cvs or cvsup *first*, *then* try > to install your port. I use the following "script" (i.e. by hand) installing a new port (might be overkill): cd /usr/ports/.... cvsup /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile (I actually use a local cvs repo but this is clearer) portupgrade -a make uninstall distclean install If that doesn't guerntee upto date ports nothing will >> >> I have several possible solutions (contact me privately if you >> want more detail) but am purposely not stating them publically so >> as not to taint the survey any more then it needs to be. >> > This is the part I don't get. If you have suggestions, post them. > Post the code that implements your suggestions. *Then* people can > evaluate whether or not your suggestions add value to the ports > system. > > Why the silly games? As I read them, this seems to be the primary > objection of all the people responding who have @freebsd.org in > their email address. They've heard it all before, but they know > that actions speak much louder than words. If you say "the > implementation of foo is flawed", and then you post code that, IYO, > improves it, people with experience and knowledge can review it > and say, "Hey, nice idea" or "sorry, your code would break ports > and here's why". > > Without the code, all the surveys and gesticulations in this tread > accomplish little except to irritate people. > See my reply to Chuck. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHVH/u358R5LPuPvsRAnYZAKCCUg37RDdt0ayWzfnPusA1gwFTDACfYiS2 CVudkH3xInMtHMaPpE7/oow= =GAvV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----