Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:28:49 -0600 From: "Young, Jason" <Jason.Young@anheuser-busch.com> To: "'Matt Dillon'" <dillon@earth.backplane.com>, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group <Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca> Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@ofug.org>, Mark Murray <mark@grondar.za>, arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: List of things to move from main tree to ports (was Re: Wish List (was: Re: The /usr/bin/games bikeshed again)) Message-ID: <DDF5392E0FB3D41196C10008C7D9AE5D026863BE@STLABCEXG022>
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Mark made a well-reasoned proposal to take some extremely ancient, rarely used games and get them out of the base system. I bet most people would agree that it's a good idea. But the discussion meandered over into the whole "we need to rip XXX out of the base system" thing, where XXX is a topic of religious significance (MTAs, DNS servers, editors, nonencrypting network utilities, etc). The other things have been discussed to death and they'll more than likely get discussed to death again now. Cy, I'm sure you mean well but I'm afraid you will destroy any chance for Mark to do this one useful non-controversial thing if you try to mix in the issue of sendmail and other controversial utilities. Is it possible to just set everything but the games aside for the moment? It's not like people won't discuss it in the future if it's set aside right now. Jason Young CNS - Network Design, Anheuser-Busch (314)577-4597 -----Original Message----- From: Matt Dillon [mailto:dillon@earth.backplane.com] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 1:06 PM To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav; Mark Murray; arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: List of things to move from main tree to ports (was Re: Wish List (was: Re: The /usr/bin/games bikeshed again)) :> I'll collect all the responses from the list together and put together :> a comprehensive list, then post it tonight. : :Please move Sendmail to ports. People should have a choice of which :MTA they want to use. Sendmail should not have any special status when :compared to other MTA's in ports. Qmail and postfix are quite popular :too and they are in ports. : :BIND: There is a growing groundswell in favour of djbdns. People :should have a choice. Once again if they choose djbdns, BIND takes up :space that could be used by other software on the disk. Economy. I have to disagree. Our base system must be operational without forcing people to install certain ports. We need a working bind and a working mail subsystem in the base system. We can let people turn it off, but we can't shift these to ports. In regards to djbdns... as much as I aplaud security-centric designs, the djbdns code is virtually unmaintainable -- unformatted, uncommented, and a mess. Despite his essentricities Paul Vixie and the code he produces is a whole lot easier to work with. I'd rather wait for Bind-9 to stabilize and then move the base system to that then to shift to djbdns. (I'll add these to the list under 'extremely controversial', which they are). -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message
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