From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 4 13:46:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (castles545.castles.com [208.214.165.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D77C15157; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:46:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04790; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:48:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199912042148.NAA04790@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Dennis Cc: Mike Smith , Kris Kennaway , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI DMA lockups in 3.2 (3.3 maybe?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 04 Dec 1999 11:34:39 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 13:48:08 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > At 11:20 PM 11/21/99 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > >> > His point was not a claim about performance, rather he was bringing into > >> > question whether performance was improving with successive releases. > >> > >> Sounded very much to me like he was just vaguely griping about how slow > >> and unstable newer versions of FreeBSD are compared to the good old days. > >> Dennis will be able to clarify this for us all when he posts his benchmark > >> specs. > > > >Dennis has been whining and griping about just about everything since > >day one. You can't realistically consider that sort of activity on his > >part as any sort of metric at all. > > There was a time that when someone reported a problem there was interest in > finding out what it might be. Now you mock the person reporting it. I guess > thats why everyone in the world is using linux. Its disheartening to > realize that things apparently wont be getting much better. Actually, you may recall that when you first brought this up this time around, I (and others) _did_ try to find out what you were actually unhappy about. Spectators will note that you haven't actually given us anything useful to work with; no PR numbers, no code fragments, in fact nothing whatsoever of any substance. Thus, I feel quite comfortable in reassuring other developers that your hysterical complaints shouldn't be taken as a cause for alarm. If and when you have something that actually looks like it might be enough evidence for us to work with, we'll take you seriously. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message