From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Mar 17 13:09:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BAC265B8A for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 13:09:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48hYRM0Kjjz4GlF for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 13:09:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.113] (unknown [172.58.142.235]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 24EAC4E687 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 08:09:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200215141238.GY1879@aurora.gregv.net> <20200316110246.GB95052@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200317044821.GA19098@admin.sibptus.ru> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <57fa21ef-83d3-7a62-19f6-5475ffa437b2@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 08:09:32 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200317044821.GA19098@admin.sibptus.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48hYRM0Kjjz4GlF X-Spamd-Bar: +++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [7.21 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[235.142.58.172.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[235.142.58.172.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.4]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.997,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(0.11)[ip: (0.32), ipnet: 128.135.0.0/16(0.16), asn: 160(0.13), country: US(-0.05)]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 13:09:35 -0000 On 3/16/20 11:48 PM, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Christos Chatzaras wrote: >> >>> 1. On Debian, you can run several instances of php-fpm with different >>> PHP versions in them. >>> >>> 2. On Debian, you can install and run several versions of PostgreSQL >>> simultaneously thanks to the pg_createcluster/pg_lsclusters/... >>> infrastructure. >>> >>> All that from standard packages, without manual compiling and tweaking, >>> jails etc, with minimal effort. >>> >>> Not that FreeBSD could not do that, it just does not do that. Especially >>> PHP verions are a great PITA. >> >> It's not much effort to use jails for these cases. I prefer it this way. > > Using jails will be especially counterproductive in case of PostgreSQL > because you will not be able to do smart things like > "pg_update --link --old-datadir XXX --new-datadir YYY". > Running postgresql in jails (several instances in jails on several physical machines), never had problem to do update as above. Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++