From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 15 01:37:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C097216A4BF for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 01:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebsdgirl.com (daemonporn.com [66.36.228.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7084143FF2 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 01:37:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sektie@freebsdgirl.com) Received: from freebsdgirl.com (nat-66-223-56.interland.net [66.223.56.177] (may be forged)) by freebsdgirl.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8F8dsde054365; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 04:39:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sektie@freebsdgirl.com) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 04:37:22 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" From: Randi Harper In-Reply-To: <3F657772.1090000@401.cx> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) cc: FreeBSD Advocacy Subject: Re: FreeBSD Revamped Look 'n' feel: Feedback appreciated! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:37:40 -0000 On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 04:25 AM, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > Randi Harper wrote: >> Just my 2 cents, but I love the site the way it is. It only takes me >> 10 seconds to find whatever I'm looking for. People that judge >> FreeBSD by it's website, well, they can go back to their flash and >> glam Microsoft or RedHat sites. As far as I can tell, those people >> are going to be the ones that ask questions on the questions@ mailing >> lists without looking at the documentation first. That's about the >> level of stupidity and laziness involved. >> Randi Harper >> sektie@freebsdgirl.com >> http://freebsdgirl.com > > I have used BSD for over 6 years, I have done hundreds of > installations, I manage a lot of mission critical BSD systems and I > frequently *answer* questions on the questions@ mailinglist. > Still, I have several times been forced to revert to linux or even > windows based solutions, simply because I was not able to impress the > corporate suits enough to make them choose BSD. If you have ever been > up against the commercial powers of linux or m$, you would know that > the freebsd.org website will probably set you back several points > instead of helping you promote your beliefs. > > Agreed, a lot of the people we scare away are probably the lazy and > stupid ones you describe, but keep in mind that they are not the only > one that gets scared away. Corporate suits are often very easily > convinced by nice layouts and a flashy first impression, and after all > they are the ones making the big decisions. > > -- > R > > I disagree. I work for one of the larger web-hosting companies out there, and we have a large number of FreeBSD solutions. I've only worked at one company that didn't use FreeBSD, and they were a small startup that dealt a lot with java (3 years ago). I'm not going to say "if your company doesn't like FreeBSD's website, find a new job", because I know how few and far between good jobs are, but the website isn't the end all for presenting a new solution. I suggest pie charts, or things that blink. :) Good lord, I just used the word "solution" twice in one paragraph. Maybe I do belong with the suits. Randi Harper sektie@freebsdgirl.com http://freebsdgirl.com