From owner-freebsd-fortran@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 10 08:21:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fortran@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9D9C34 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 08:21:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mexas@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from eu1sys200aog114.obsmtp.com (eu1sys200aog114.obsmtp.com [207.126.144.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47991B41 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 08:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ea0-f179.google.com ([209.85.215.179]) (using TLSv1) by eu1sys200aob114.postini.com ([207.126.147.11]) with SMTP ID DSNKUd0ZYtinoB0tzbUt1fzXJQaTQkwqh0vg@postini.com; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 08:20:58 UTC Received: by mail-ea0-f179.google.com with SMTP id b15so4687190eae.38 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 01:20:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:message-id:to:subject:cc:reply-to:in-reply-to :x-gm-message-state; bh=R2xau3MrSdBoqsgvwJPs+Y44o//5i39urB/IZrcv61w=; b=gXw46VIIl9/ffrW3n9t1v/GeJ5gCU4728fEI9NFz1nKkDuK/RTyZuCMh5Jy1IF/dLn dLDiR++KUnQ8afiMYFDP4Jc5dxdhn3J6MR5oYupAJ9wVVvR49nzcppL+4ytV00AVe7FF ijrfSUtHkO8tXPin3L9YXMwW/Uci2eMH8GdiwOgR1tASoilRMZ96iG3XZoE64uTvJo6b 7sYJOA//xqzIZOv1ZU1V6xe4dw4UIwZ1vNWXe1ggTCi8d49FzXdC+Ti9XfBoWZK/JOIY 1ENMNAs+fAUGQbiJh4QZm1YP7A3DJnuyQiHRPVPKI1zVnaPIZEVZ86A8lT5s7zcSZFq3 LYFw== X-Received: by 10.14.95.69 with SMTP id o45mr34898199eef.48.1373444450797; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 01:20:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.14.95.69 with SMTP id o45mr34898189eef.48.1373444450710; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 01:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk. [137.222.187.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b3sm57963943eev.10.2013.07.10.01.20.48 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 10 Jul 2013 01:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Anton Shterenlikht Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.7/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r6A8KlYj099329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:20:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.7/8.14.6/Submit) id r6A8KkNm099328; Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:20:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mexas) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:20:46 +0100 (BST) From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201307100820.r6A8KkNm099328@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> To: chris@uminac.com, sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu Subject: Re: why fortran mailing list? In-Reply-To: <20130709233149.GA93320@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkRjv7VrdQjSBlwivYvEswd8MZATtReugFcFVB2nxsRQSmjRi+AQc/u/yDBpZuWEt4jZAcSDH9+2AVaYMBDBsZ0h1WS83aNlt4vcb1XLjfqLQ9rZCwEup6I002QePO1FDLYGCdG2817XBr/ByoKJ3IX7yXX1VRFovwo1TZJFskXqpEiUjc= Cc: mexas@bristol.ac.uk, freebsd-fortran@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-fortran@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bristol.ac.uk List-Id: Fortran on FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 08:21:00 -0000 From sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu Wed Jul 10 00:33:37 2013 On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 07:24:12PM -0400, Christopher J. Umina wrote: > Fortran is pretty much a standard in the scientific world and I for > one have been quite upset about the fact that I'm constantly forced > away from FreeBSD for such things. Needless to say I was quite > surprised that a list was created specifically for Fortran discussion, > but I'm also very excited to see the level of interest in the > community. > Please, don't top-post, it looses context. In fact, I've deleted all of the previous context. :-) Not sure why you're forced away from FreeBSD because of Fortran. gfortran has been a part of GCC since 2005. Although the first year or two of gfortran's life saw a large number of bugsi and patches, since gcc 4.4,x ori 4.5.x, she's been a very good compiler. Right now I need coarrays, so I have to use other compilers on linux. But a compiler alone is not enough. I need a complete tightly integrated fortran environment, with libraries and applications. Many libs/apps available on linux are not in ports yet. One example is Trilinos, http://trilinos.sandia.gov/packages/fortrilinos/. I think bf@ has been working on a port. But there are more, I just can't think of any at the moment. Then there are things like legacy code. For example, I myself maintain math/slatec, which is 1980-1990 fortran 77 library with over 1400 subroutines. I found this library useful at some point. But the code is old and completely unmaintained, perhaps there are better newer alternatives. Should it stay in ports for now? Anton