From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 18:04:36 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A16F78CD; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 18:04:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2on0142.outbound.protection.outlook.com [65.55.169.142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F760151; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 18:04:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLUPR05CA0070.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.20.40) by BN1PR05MB440.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.58.26) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.65.19; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 17:49:33 +0000 Received: from BL2FFO11FD049.protection.gbl (2a01:111:f400:7c09::183) by BLUPR05CA0070.outlook.office365.com (2a01:111:e400:855::40) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.65.19 via Frontend Transport; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 17:49:33 +0000 Received: from P-EMF02-SAC.jnpr.net (66.129.239.16) by BL2FFO11FD049.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.173.161.211) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.75.11 via Frontend Transport; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 17:49:33 +0000 Received: from magenta.juniper.net (172.17.27.123) by P-EMF02-SAC.jnpr.net (172.24.192.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 09:49:31 -0800 Received: from chaos.jnpr.net (chaos.jnpr.net [172.21.16.28]) by magenta.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id t0PHnUW11644; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 09:49:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sjg@juniper.net) Received: from chaos (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chaos.jnpr.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B881580A3; Sun, 25 Jan 2015 09:49:30 -0800 (PST) To: Slawa Olhovchenkov Subject: Re: [RFC] Set the default locale to en_US.UTF-8 In-Reply-To: <20150125171042.GQ3698@zxy.spb.ru> References: <20150124143357.GI81001@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <20150125143243.GB76051@zxy.spb.ru> <7B1D8345-248B-4C44-9568-079BA29614C2@ixsystems.com> <23506.1422204612@critter.freebsd.dk> <20150125171042.GQ3698@zxy.spb.ru> Comments: In-reply-to: Slawa Olhovchenkov message dated "Sun, 25 Jan 2015 20:10:42 +0300." From: "Simon J. Gerraty" X-Mailer: MH-E 8.0.3; nmh 1.3; GNU Emacs 22.3.1 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 09:49:30 -0800 Message-ID: <23185.1422208170@chaos> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-EOPAttributedMessage: 0 Received-SPF: SoftFail (protection.outlook.com: domain of transitioning juniper.net discourages use of 66.129.239.16 as permitted sender) Authentication-Results: spf=softfail (sender IP is 66.129.239.16) smtp.mailfrom=sjg@juniper.net; freebsd.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;freebsd.org; dmarc=permerror action=none header.from=juniper.net; X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:66.129.239.16; CTRY:US; IPV:NLI; EFV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(24454002)(87936001)(6806004)(50226001)(110136001)(92566002)(77096005)(4477795004)(50986999)(76176999)(2950100001)(117636001)(86362001)(93886004)(57986006)(105596002)(46102003)(19580405001)(106466001)(50466002)(19580395003)(33716001)(48376002)(62966003)(76506005)(77156002)(62816006)(42262002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BN1PR05MB440; H:P-EMF02-SAC.jnpr.net; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; X-DmarcAction-Test: None X-Microsoft-Antispam: UriScan:; X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(3005004);SRVR:BN1PR05MB440; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-Test: UriScan:; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-CFA-Test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004); SRVR:BN1PR05MB440; X-Forefront-PRVS: 046753C63C X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-CFA-Test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BN1PR05MB440; X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2015 17:49:33.2960 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalAttributedTenantConnectingIp: TenantId=bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4; Ip=[66.129.239.16] X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BN1PR05MB440 Cc: arch@freebsd.org, Poul-Henning Kamp , Jordan Hubbard , Baptiste Daroussin X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 18:04:36 -0000 Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > System software (from FreeBSD base) not exclusive for this behaviour > (dangerous dependens from current locale). This is may be third-party > sofware or software writen by customer. Unexpected setting locale to > UTF-8 may be broken this software. Yes, svn client fails on checkout if file contains UTF-8 and client's local is not compatible, error is to the effect of "cannot translate". Only fix is to change loacle to UTF-8 then remove the offending chars if possible. UTF-8 is a bit like GPL - forces everyone to follow suit.