From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 27 11:20:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5378E16A400 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 11:20:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from netslists@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F1013C455 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 11:20:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from netslists@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u2so658705uge for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 04:20:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=e6DL6O3IOqaToTVk0Zx/IA7c4x4iAxlOeQK2GnHMoBey8+6+ziKJ6SYPS+HrLxqCOwSPS5e9XZWIJibaFJywAdmkymMse4gvbiSN5wHRLzYVf9wNFT6yJuoI2MrJpheJx0qJMfy4wvRTMQo3ancBZkDg+Thawk1YxPCL2wPWS+0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Pa+x0YzFuFa/RXvwf0uqBn2IDkrlCV0moBghUZhXt6yYfuolMchcgqodxytPhWBj6/Zj1Srq7lpTwbMeJvoJ6u9d9OnoWJPujSGu9pztYXG/fYemnRWGK1if1ZWLhFlc4P+TEARlKAenxaNkqhJiX5AGIvJdpDDsbP9n4BZV5Oo= Received: by 10.67.93.7 with SMTP id v7mr4417258ugl.1180263152924; Sun, 27 May 2007 03:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.9.8? ( [91.135.49.10]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c1sm8585635ugf.2007.05.27.03.52.32; Sun, 27 May 2007 03:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <465962EC.7040508@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:52:28 +0200 From: Sten Daniel Soersdal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Walthall References: <3aaaa3a0705170830g46487cc7occc8a51b82a9118b@mail.gmail.com> <1179420667.87418.22.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <20070517181006.GB69514@icarus.home.lan> <20070518150912.GA19343@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> In-Reply-To: <20070518150912.GA19343@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: OT: Re: fast rate of major FreeBSD releases to STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:20:25 -0000 John Walthall wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 11:10:06AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: >> As someone who has had to show many people "how" to use the FreeBSD >> installer, I can confirm what Chris is referring to. >> >> Here's some of the generic end-user complaints I've heard (and some >> of which I have); > [...] > > And let's not forget the infamous geometry bug! For me, at least sysinstall has always, 100% of the time, incorrectly detected my disc geometry. > > Sysinstall is adequate, nothing more, nothing less. I don't mean though, to belittle the efforts of the developers; these days people are going to expect it to be polished on the order of YaST, which is ridiculous. Sysinstall is functional. > > Although irritated, variously, by every one of these issues, I am most concerned about the geometry bug, it looks lackadaisical. > > It is worth noting however, that of all the BSD's I have tried, FreeBSD has the best installer. NetBSD's installer isn't half bad, but doesn't have the scope of sysinstall, and is much less valuable as a configuration tool. OpenBSD's installer is Spartan; like the rest of OpenBSD, only more-so. I should not like ever to use OpenBSD's nightmarish installer again. > > If people have trouble with sysinstall-the-configuration-tool, perhaps they might examine sysutils/webmin? > Off topic! What can i do to see the correct geometry on my disks?? -- Sten Daniel Soersdal