From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 29 17:10:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C24D2D50 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2014 17:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.0x20.net (mail.0x20.net [IPv6:2001:aa8:fffb:1::3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 788336EF for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2014 17:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from e-new.0x20.net (mail.0x20.net [IPv6:2001:aa8:fffb:1::3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.0x20.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1BA06A6007; Sat, 29 Mar 2014 18:10:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from e-new.0x20.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by e-new.0x20.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s2THAk2p076225; Sat, 29 Mar 2014 18:10:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from lars@e-new.0x20.net) Received: (from lars@localhost) by e-new.0x20.net (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id s2THAkbB074582; Sat, 29 Mar 2014 18:10:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from lars) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 18:10:46 +0100 From: Lars Engels To: Steve Kargl Subject: Re: A proposal Message-ID: <20140329171046.GV37436@e-new.0x20.net> Mail-Followup-To: Lars Engels , Steve Kargl , Joe Nosay , freebsd-current References: <53365D6F.5020804@allanjude.com> <20140329055249.GA69809@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20140329092923.GS37436@e-new.0x20.net> <20140329131110.GA71345@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="buDNgeHiu+HCsDEc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20140329131110.GA71345@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 7.4 X-Operation-System: FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE-p4 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: Joe Nosay , freebsd-current X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 17:10:48 -0000 --buDNgeHiu+HCsDEc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 06:11:10AM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:29:23AM +0100, Lars Engels wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:52:49PM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: > >> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 01:46:15AM -0400, Joe Nosay wrote: > >>> On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Allan Jude w= rote: > >>>=20 > >>>> On 2014-03-29 01:22, Joe Nosay wrote: > >>>>> I have noticed that options VPS, VIMAGE, and MROUTING are not stand= ard > >>>> for > >>>>> the kernel with a base install. Is there any way that these can be = made a > >>>>> part of the normal kernel so that jail(s) would get the full benefit > >>>>> without a kernel recompile? > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> VIMAGE has some problems with PF. Martin Matu ska said at AsiaBSDCon > >>>> that he had a patch that solves the issue. > >>>=20 > >>> Really, you say? That's good news. > >>> So, will those options soon be standard for a first time install? > >>=20 > >> Certainly, hope not. I don't use any of options. > >=20 > > So you use all the other devices and options of the GENERIC kernel? >=20 > Of course, not. Not sure how you inferred such a thing. >=20 > IMHO, GENERIC should contain only those devices and options > that are required to get FreeBSD booted on new hardware. > VIMAGE and MROUTING aren't needed, and can be configured by > the user after installation. As for VPS, AFAICT, there isn't > an option/device named VPS; at least 'find /sys/ -type f | xargs > grep VPS' wasn't too enlightening. IMHO common use scenarios should be included in GENERIC if they're stable and mature. E.g. I don't know why IPSEC still isn't in GENERIC. --buDNgeHiu+HCsDEc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (FreeBSD) iKYEARECAGYFAlM2/pZfFIAAAAAALgAoaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDE3RkMwOEUxNUUwOUJEMjE0ODlFMjA1MDI5 Q0U3NURBQzBGNzY5RjgACgkQKc512sD3afjTeACfb9tUoHVTTFpDuCUoptK77ODS 1jQAoIvkjI8CJBzVwpRVB1EHoOTgHCBa =erCB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --buDNgeHiu+HCsDEc--