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Date:      Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:15:35 +0200 (EET)
From:      ea@sellinet.net
To:        "Sten Daniel Soersdal" <sten.daniel.sorsdal@gmail.com>
Cc:        freebsd-isp@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: [Strange behavior with arp permanent entries]
Message-ID:  <33702.82.199.192.218.1171541735.squirrel@82.199.192.218>
In-Reply-To: <45D34E49.8090808@gmail.com>
References:  <2947.82.199.223.6.1171128810.squirrel@82.199.223.6> <45D34E49.8090808@gmail.com>

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> ea@sellinet.net wrote:
>> Hello, Guys!
>>
>> I'm trying to restrict some LAN access by arp permanent entries. But it
>> didn't work or it didn't work as I realize it. For example I have the
>> following perm entries:
>>
>>
>> user1: (82.199.215.195) at 00:0f:ea:a4:60:c5 on vlan804 permanent [vlan]
>> user2: (82.199.215.196) at 00:13:8f:b1:68:4b on vlan804 permanent [vlan]
>>
>>
>> And from what I realize if the user1 attempts to use user2's IP address.
>> The Router should block all packets which coming from wrong physical
>> address. But actually that didn't happen and user1 can use user2's IP
>> address without any problems.
>
> The router wont block packets coming from anyone. It should however
> prevent packets going *to* the wrong user. But that depends heavily on
> whether the layer2 network cooperates and the bad hosts network stack.

Scenario 1:

user1: 10.2.0.2 00:14:85:84:af:c8 perm
user2: 10.2.0.3 00:0f:ea:a4:60:c5 perm

User2 can't use user1's IP address.

Scenario 2:

user1: 10.2.0.2 00:0a:e6:f7:8a:81 perm
user2: 10.2.0.3 00:0f:ea:a4:60:c5 perm

User2 can use user1's IP address.

So, maybe there is some truth in your words, but why this happen? What is
the difference between two physical addresses?


>
> Tip: If you want the effect of each user having their own physical lan
> (so they can't steal each others ip addresses) you need to segregate
> them in a manner that effectively gives each user a physical lan. Vlans
> might help, if done correctly.


Unfortunately, this can't be done in our case.


>
>>
>> Maybe someone of you will advice me to use ipfw arp rules but when I
>> turn
>> net.link.ether.ipfw ON I'm getting very low performance from the router.
>> We talking about 800mbps and 600k packets per second, and many users
>> which
>> means many ipfw arp rules.
>
> Then perhaps you need to solve the problem on a different level or
> different unit? Perhaps segregate the users at edge using vlans and thus
> removing filter needs?
>
> --
> Sten Daniel Soersdal
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