From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 28 9:59:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D683337B417 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:59:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from caddis.yogotech.com (caddis.yogotech.com [206.127.123.130]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28782; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:58:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by caddis.yogotech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0SHwjW68309; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:58:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15445.37204.693732.376471@caddis.yogotech.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 10:58:44 -0700 To: "Robert D. Hughes" Cc: "Nate Williams" , "Justin White" , Subject: RE: firewall config (CTFM) In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > While this will probably get me flamed to no end, users not reading the > docs and keeping up with advisories (sys admins are users too) is only > the cause of little things like nimda, code red, and probably at least > 90% of all the other problems people report with any system. Again, a comment in a unused file cannot properly be called documentation. And, when the comment is misleading, it's even worse. :( > If you've read them, and at least tried to follow them and it still > doesn't work, I have great sympathy and want to help. I never answer a > question on a list that I know I can look at a manual and find the > answer to in under a half-hour. *Bwah* *hah* *hah* *hah* *hah* *hah* Yeah, right. I've been involved with this project *longer* than anyone (including Jordan), although I haven't been as involved with it as of late. However, I read *all* the mailing lists (except questions), which I've done for almost 9 years now. I've hacked on the kernel, hacked on userland, including parts of ipfw that currently exist. *I* consider the current behavior non-intuitive. Also, even *I* can't find answers to my questions with 30 minutes, and I know where to look, so I find you statement, well, to be brutally honest, both humerous and a little bit egotistical. : My .25 worth.... Nate > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Williams [mailto:nate@yogotech.com] > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 11:20 AM > To: Justin White > Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: re: firewall config (CTFM) > > > > i'm not trying to be mean, but if you don't read the docs > > A comment in a configuration file that the user should never have to see > is considered documentation? > > *sheesh* > > > Nate > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message