From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 17 17:19:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE32B106566C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:19:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mavbsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B8B98FC15 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:19:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgbdq11 with SMTP id dq11so2942515wgb.31 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:19:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=G82bWlo3zC8XsBOAoXsOjzPItp/iusr1TBlpyJPX9RY=; b=j556jWa2uncQVSKPEWVi/0eo+wWs9TJ+255pRDHU8FYawLDxl8H44GV7vVK/iS30D5 IG9GkGjWsxWc19XRYB3BwPb32HDwbV2vbX159QaQfBaSJ7Tn6b8lpJprA7aFjYVi5ecc BckMv1K7QsufYQLcX7n6XNHrYYOutn8AIkcjY= Received: by 10.180.101.72 with SMTP id fe8mr5174043wib.4.1329499187390; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:19:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mavbook.mavhome.dp.ua (pc.mavhome.dp.ua. [212.86.226.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eq5sm38107909wib.2.2012.02.17.09.19.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:19:46 -0800 (PST) Sender: Alexander Motin Message-ID: <4F3E8C26.3080900@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:19:34 +0200 From: Alexander Motin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20120116 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Goncharov References: <4F3E8225.9030501@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 8 to 9: Kernel modularization -- did it change? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:19:49 -0000 On 17.02.2012 19:10, Alex Goncharov wrote: > ,--- You/Alexander (Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:36:53 +0200) ----* > | On 02/17/12 18:20, Alex Goncharov wrote: > |> How do I find the correct hint if I can't reload the sound module in > |> the new kernel environment and explore 'dmesg', '/dev/sndstat' and the > |> physical headphones with the new hint without a reboot? > |> > |> Stick something in a file (/boot/device.hints or /boot/loader.conf), > |> reboot and see if it works... if it doesn't put a different > |> combination of 'cad', 'nid' and 'seq' and reboot?... And again and > |> again, till it works?.. > | > | Improved HDA driver in HEAD allows to change CODEC configuration via > | sysctls on fly without unloading. I am going to merge it to 9/8-STABLE > | in few weeks. If somebody wants to write nice GUI for it -- welcome! ;) > > Being mostly a FreeBSD freeloader (or a marginal contributor), I > shouldn't be complaining, and I am not, but permit me to make a > personal biased judgment: losing the ability to do a practically > important thing (a dynamic sound card tuning) which was available in > 8, makes 9 a "not ready to be released" OS (GUI isn't relevant here.) > > OK, I'll put my upgrades to 9 on hold... Thanks all for clarifying the > situation! > > P.S. As an aside and IMHO: > > Over the last year, I've been asking myself why I keep bothering with > FreeBSD when several Linux distros do everything painlessly out of box. > > Obviously, I like FreeBSD general structure a lot, that's why. > FreeBSD won't miss me going back to Linux, but I may miss FreeBSD, so > I am still sticking on, but I see a lot of dangers to FreeBSD being a > meaningfully used platform, for various reasons (some of them have > been mentioned in several discussions on freebsd-stable.) Breaking > POLA in a released OS, which I see with this sound card tuning issue, > doesn't add FreeBSD friends... For many users these days not having sound drivers turned on by default is more astonishing. Luckily most systems don't need hints to get working sound. So it depends on point of view. And definitely I see no problem in this for updating to 9.0, unless you are already biased against it. -- Alexander Motin