From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 12 13:13:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29A016A41F for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:13:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from mh2.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F7443D45 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:13:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from [10.177.171.134] (dhcp-171-134.centtech.com [10.177.171.134]) by mh2.centtech.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k0CDDiCx095626; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:13:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <43C6560A.8020200@centtech.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:13:46 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20060110) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel O'Connor" References: <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org> <200601062220.13417.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20060112073733.GG84964@svcolo.com> <200601122112.13347.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200601122112.13347.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1239/Thu Jan 12 05:36:22 2006 on mh2.centtech.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Jo Rhett , current Subject: Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006 ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:13:55 -0000 Daniel O'Connor wrote: >On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:07, Jo Rhett wrote: > > >>On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 10:20:11PM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: >> >> >>>I imagine there are a few committers interested, but I'd say you need to >>>ask the right way first.. >>> >>> >>As in...? >> >> > >I don't know any personally, but then again I only know about 3 committers >which is not a large percentage. > > > >>But again, there are lots of people interested in this topic. Colin for >>an obvious one. But if Colin can't convince the team to take this on, >>where do you start? >> >> > >Colin is a committer. >You write the code under his guidance. >He commits it. > >So, there you go, problem solved. > > That's true, if you can find a committer willing to help - and I think that's the issue. I've tried numerous times to contact committers of certain areas, asking quick questions, or things like 'if I build this, would it be comittable?' - with about 80% of the time receiving no response. Now, I'm not complaining, or claiming they should reply - they are volunteers and already busy doing their regular life stuff in addition to the FreeBSD code they contribute. I'm just mentioning it as a data point, that it is pretty hard to find a committer willing to mentor someone, or at a minimum, give them pointers. The -hackers list is excellent as far as answering most technical questions (rapidly!), but in the end, it is pretty difficult to find a committer to listen to you, unless you already have patches ready to roll, since that takes less time of course. Maybe, on the FreeBSD developers page, we could have a list of categories and mentors for those categories for those willing to work on code to contact with questions, etc. Then committers could volunteer as a mentor for a category they enjoy.. Or is it enough to just post to -hackers asking 'anyone want to mentor me?' ? Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Sr. Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Anything that works is better than anything that doesn't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------