Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:28:24 -0600 (CST) From: John Sconiers <jrs@enteract.com> To: Jason Nordwick <nordwick@citycom.com> Cc: "Christopher S. Weimann" <cweimann@wallnet.com>, Ed Suchocki <esuchocki@mediaone.net>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustrated with bsd Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.981130121650.12002A-100000@adam.enteract.com> In-Reply-To: <007901be1c32$7dee8a00$e53c1c26@yasmeen.citycom.com>
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> >Go to http://www.freebsd.org and scroll down the page till you get to > >the section called "Easy to install". > These directions suck. I have often had similar questions as to how to > installed from a DOS disk... like what had to be d/l and where to put > it. I believe it gives you an example.... > >You now have everything you need to get FreeBSD installed. Follow the rest > >of the instructions on that page to create a boot disk. This boot disk > >will download everything over your modem ( or network connection if you > >are that lucky ). > Doing a d/l from the boot disk is this: first it is very suseptible to > modem problems and other errors (like computer going down when 90% done), > second it really provides to really good feedback as to when it will be > done, third, you cannot keep the d/l files for a later installed (such as > I have time to d/l but not install). Then you should buy a cd-rom set....you could also put the minimum install a a zip disk or a small fat partition and add stuff as you need it. > >I don't think I told you anything here that isn't obvious from the page. > Nothing is "obvious" from the page. Obvious to you is not obvious to me. > I agree, FreeBSD, is fucking hell to learn to install. When your new to a product it may be hard at first but if you read and ask good questions you can get through it. > >Christopher Weimann SysAdmin Wall Internet LLC. > > Hmm... a sysadmin... and you think that you are even qualified to > decide what is easy to install for the rest of us that don't spend > our life on administating a computer? Don't say stupid shit like > "I don't know how to say this..." or "obvious" until you really sit > down and think... hmmm... What would a person completely new to > UNIX-style system and installing OSes in general know. Arghh... Maybe you should download the post script version of the FAQ and Readme. etc that usually would help. The big thing is that with other OSes (MS) they don't expect you to read the FAQ or Readme etc. > I used to be a very strong FBSD prophet, but now after coming back > to it after six months, my initial install of -current went horribly; > half of the ports I have tried to install have had at least one > problem (if not multiple, for example www/netscape45-communicator); > user-PPP is a bitch to setup, use, and find information on. I could > go on for a while with this list. -current is not stable. IE don't use it unless your willing to go along with the headaches that come with it. It's for Developers, Bleading Edge etc. By the way I run 3.0 and netscape...it works... > If anybody really wants the system to get into the mainstream (I actually > don't care if it does), then there are alot of changes that need to be > made. If I knew anything about PPP I'd do one that could actually determine > what port you are trying to use, what the authentication method is, blah > blah blah. You can always learn...by the way there are addons that can do this...how about command line... > I'm getting tired of all the ego tripping around here. Everybody thinks > that they have a dope-ass system under them, and there is not enough people > that realize that you have to make parts easier (not dumbdown). This self- > congradulatory attitude will leave FBSD in the dust. Too many people are > too easily satisfied... dream a little more people. ??? I think its the price you pay for having a better system. I agree some thiongs could be easier but unless people like you *HELP* make things easier than your wasting your time. > -jay JOHN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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