From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 4 10:34:44 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D4737B4AA; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 10:34:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from 213-84-207-11.adsl.xs4all.nl (nexus.xs4all.nl [213.84.207.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A5E43F93; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 10:20:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@nexus.ninth-circle.org) Received: by 213-84-207-11.adsl.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 26AF165A; Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:20:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:20:05 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Dillon's commitbit revocal Message-ID: <20030204182005.GG43834@nexus.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organisation: Ninth Circle Enterprises User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Why is it that a lot of people who seem to be against Matt Dillon's removal don't, apparently, seem to understand this simple manager point of view: ``Do I waste x amount of time every time person y does something, since I know it will piss off about 10-15 others of my team, which in turn costs me and the team way more time in noise to get things back to normal?'' Given 1 talented guy with lacking social skills and 10-15 who might be less talented but can at least work close(r) together, most people would choose the latter option. If you think the first is preferable, let me know which company you work for so I know never to apply there, the atmosphere must be terrible. However great a person's qualities on technical level, it is no excuse for lacking social skills, which are imperative in a distributed world-wide project where main communication is done through email and chat. Another funny thing, people have been bitching at core for years to have them take more action in the project. Now they do it, and it is not good either. Make up your mind. Also, Rahul et al., there has been numerous attempts to get Matt Dillon to play nice within the Project, this is just the result of an accumulation of the years, yes, we're talking years here, including meetings at conventions and whatnot. Give it a break, go and do something constructive, like learning the VM system so that you may replace the gaps which you think Dillon's absence would create. (Which is funny given we have a few other VM specialists in the team who are less controversial.) I applaud core for daring to undertake such a controversial issue and decide on an action, which based on prior experience hopefully works out. Just my EUR 0.02. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai / Kita no Mono Ninth Circle Enterprises | WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.tendra.org/ | http://www.anti-dmca.org/ Long lost, to where no pathway goes... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message