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Date:      Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:37:20 -0400
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Don <don@calis.blacksun.org>, Bernd Walter <ticso@cicely.de>
Cc:        Alfred Perlstein <bright@wintelcom.net>, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Journaling
Message-ID:  <19991027173720.06226@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9910271715550.35683-100000@calis.blacksun.org>; from Don on Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 05:20:42PM -0400
References:  <19991027193200.A52144@cicely7.cicely.de> <Pine.BSF.4.05.9910271715550.35683-100000@calis.blacksun.org>

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On Wednesday, 27 October 1999 at 17:20:42 -0400, Don wrote:
>> The Limit of 7 partionions is not of any interest if you use vinum.
>> Vinum should be able to manage in 1 partion more volumes than you will want.
>
> Ok nevermind :) Either way vinum is not up to snuff. It still has a way to
> go before it can be used in a production environment. 

Oh, does it?  What problems have you seen?  You'd better tell all the
people who are using it in production, too.

> My question then becomes what causes the 7 (partition, mount point,
> slice, whatever) limit?

It's the BSD disk label format.

> FreeBSD, OpenBSD and Solaris all share this limitation. Since they
> only share UFS (AFAIK) I had assumed it was the fault of UFS.

UFS on System V uses the System V partition table, which allows 15
partitions.  I don't know what use even 7 are, which is probably one
of the reasons nobody has done anything about it.

>> I'm also intersted in having a way to shrink an FFS filesystem, but it is
>> much more difficult than growing and you have to rename inodes which is not
>> always good.
>> At this moment I'm thinking of some ways to retain the inode numbers.
>> In the more common case your system is getting to small and you want to
>> have another HDD added - so only be able to grow does make sense.
>
> For me the issue has always been a mistake in the allocation of space on
> my disks. The reult being a reinstall (as I usually have more than enough
> space and do not want to add disks). 

Yes, this is the usual result of using too many file system
partitions.

> This does not happen often but when it does happen it is a
> pain. When I run out of space I can usually simply add the other
> drive to another mount point and the ability to grow a partition
> becomes a none issue.

I'm not sure what you're talking about here, but the best thing I can
think of is Vinum.

Greg
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