From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 23 14:38:00 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3E7106564A for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:38:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FB88FC18 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb24 with SMTP id 24so1829167wwb.31 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 07:37:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=nEivZreqYFt7DZplfNHcfSD1+qvu9ILDDPr+MJjRYsQ=; b=Q8lNT/HvqJ4oSmwgNGOoWHFPM8Q8cgcvOWLmYukwH4feN4RiqczkFu0X9zEVLlVKLJ BM+NvINSyZfHVbrzVLj/kAYLBkTIy7L2bG4+qxHHZQm3Iu4fdKFsO6kL1+qTQRAXwxja cDmJ5MJGUs5BRVXCoUirTVr+kC17wbNFWyCrA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=NJFTuSDjtnhW/4DtI/1iO90Mf68KrlD2+SY0oGG6Z4aHaplUjL5WLls/8HfzbBsACO mX6ctBQolN/uakQrSnSKWIW+Q+sfKmvPrUf5jPpswcSjclyo+cHipyAUnhf0ePkcgcq2 BIPbNycKQhbKjvkk2gLnmlJYq+1mLn3hQga9w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.196.74 with SMTP id ef10mr4409551wbb.18.1287844679293; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 07:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.154.131 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Oct 2010 07:37:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <23761287738657@web27.yandex.ru> References: <23761287738657@web27.yandex.ru> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 16:37:59 +0200 Message-ID: From: Tomek CEDRO To: Konstantin Tokarev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GIMP 2.4 - better ui usability X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:38:00 -0000 On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: >> Maybe someone has similar feeling, so I thought maybe >> its not that bad idea to create GIMP 2.4 port that keep all of the >> nice features destroyed by a new design team in GIMP 2.6? > > Haven't you tried to take in contact with GIMP developers? Unfortunately yes [1], a new group of shitheads with "better sense of taste" got into project and they know better than users what is more comfortable. There are dozens of requests on bugzilla [2] to bring the menu back to the toolbox, even separate project dedicated to make this menu visible again in the toolbar [3]. All this is rejected, even no option to make it work is being left. The old work and good habits are destroyed with no alternative. The only arguments of Martin Nordholts that I had talked with is that I "have no taste" because he knows no "another program that has two main menus" (*) and so "There is no arguing this, we won't add the menu back. Period.". I don't understand why they don't want to leave this menu in toolbox as user choice option. I only hope this kind of stuff never happens on FreeBSD project. [1] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=623472 [2] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__all__&product=&content=toolbox+menu [3] http://sourceforge.net/projects/gimp-classic/ (*) Blender3D can have dozens of menus on the screen, but this was no argument to the guy. Best regards, Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info