From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Feb 2 09:54:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA12345 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:54:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ceia.nordier.com (m2-48-dbn.dial-up.net [196.34.155.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12334 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:54:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rnordier@nordier.com) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by ceia.nordier.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA03724; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:53:33 +0200 (SAT) From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199902021753.TAA03724@ceia.nordier.com> Subject: Re: desktop stupidity In-Reply-To: <19990202185713.43112@welearn.com.au> from Sue Blake at "Feb 2, 99 06:57:13 pm" To: sue@welearn.com.au (Sue Blake) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:53:30 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > You're mad, the lot of you. Stop and learn (remember that?), or go back > to your kernel entrails. > The newbies I see are put off or held back by: > - lack of reliable advice as to what to do/learn first, second, third ... > - lack of suitable documentation at the right pace and starting point > - misunderstanding of their learning needs by others > - inaccessibility of many of the tools they need to use during the > first few hours, before being able to execute a learning plan > - misguided attempts to "help" them which only hold them back > - a constant trickle of put-downs and resultant lack of confidence > - inability to create what they need for themselves or communicate > needs to developers Bleah! Dealing resourcefully with one's own ignorance (aka learning) is a basic life skill, and people who find the process traumatic, or who need to thrust the responsibility onto others, need remedial counselling, not support groups for everything. > They might have only had some GUI background, but that does not mean > they want to stay that way. Why the hell do you think they're running > FreeBSD, because they're too stupid to know what it is? Come on! Lack > of knowledge does not indicate stupidity. I'll challenge any of you to > a test of crochet knowledge or skill and see how you fare! Drop all this "Sue the Professional Newbie" nonsense, and write us a device driver, and I'll do you a Granny-Square Tree Skirt. :-) -- Robert Nordier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message