From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 27 21:35:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661E016A476 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 21:35:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2C813C44B for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 21:35:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u2so745916uge for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 14:35:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LiDM+gzg+7tXD+7hdIKcilWK9wI2lS/pWQYLajSnPSLHEqk+3dxjgR4JK7Esnc6Dhq+7e15U/S+vpZdsKiwwz5AZjWVl2QlYjFeOPfxxNtkCI+rObi2vQGhcD1BueuC3Mye0whrBecx619azWsMsIs+WzB2mv4NGyWPmqp4QAzY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bQ+s739nSJz3K+6EkMr85dJAdnCJI4kboY5nUkNzmHYNZdCXwQtTjPQ/CxB6b/07G7+TqQzsWzjbe3eVu65IByA9P0mhzWuOj7PpE4rqd4IBsBmQCae9UBrOPPLqXGKNnCYjEesnb0Dcku3i2egB9vq0wJ49fFOtzcbb4B9Pq1c= Received: by 10.82.163.13 with SMTP id l13mr9643808bue.1180301750377; Sun, 27 May 2007 14:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.185.16 with HTTP; Sun, 27 May 2007 14:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 16:35:50 -0500 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "Christian Walther" In-Reply-To: <14989d6e0705270319r68b9c4e2y5f32141f53c5472a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4658F51B.7030507@u.washington.edu> <20070527100136.GA22579@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <14989d6e0705270319r68b9c4e2y5f32141f53c5472a@mail.gmail.com> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fix this: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 21:35:52 -0000 On 27/05/07, Christian Walther wrote: > On 27/05/07, Erik Trulsson wrote: > > On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 02:38:33AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > As I understand it the phrase 'All rights reserved' was required by older > > copyright rules but is obsolete these days. > > I.e. changing the wording so that 'All rights reserved' applies to both > > copyright statements is pointless since it does not have any legal > > significance any more. > > Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "(C) - All rights reserved" > something entirely different from the BSD License under which FreeBSD > is licensed? This license grants it's users some rights very > explicitely. I know that I can still be a Copyright owner when I > choose to distribute a piece of work under a different license, but > can I say that all rights are reserved when I actually do something > else? Rightly claiming copyright only witholds certain uses from others. "All rights reserved" was a method of asserting that no rights except explicity allowed were granted, since certain forms of publication can imply certain copying rights (right to backup software, right to transcribe music for personal use) to the "end-user" (indeed, which end?). Any explicit copying rights granted by other statements are, of course, not reserved by the "all rights reserved" phrase. Modern copyright law is so hideously restrictive and explicit and morally indefensable (it "creates sin where none exists") that the phrase "all rights reserved" is deprecated. -- --