From nobody Wed Sep 4 15:21:24 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4WzR6g0BNGz5V60M for ; Wed, 04 Sep 2024 15:21:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from gid2.gid.co.uk (ns0.gid.co.uk [IPv6:2001:470:94de::240]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gid2.gid.co.uk", Issuer "gid2.gid.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4WzR6f4cDmz4N79; Wed, 4 Sep 2024 15:21:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from mx0.gid.co.uk (mx0.gid.co.uk [194.32.164.250]) by gid2.gid.co.uk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 484FLdUi029896; Wed, 4 Sep 2024 16:21:39 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from smtpclient.apple (moriarty.gid.co.uk [194.32.164.17]) by mx0.gid.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id 484FLYda065929; Wed, 4 Sep 2024 16:21:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3776.700.51\)) Subject: Re: Rust: kernel vs user-space From: Bob Bishop In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2024 16:21:24 +0100 Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <202409031532.483FW0If007252@critter.freebsd.dk> <7533543.20240904114624@yahoo.com> <0.2.0-final-1725440949.866-0xb4bb20@qmda.emu.st> <65ED39B7-099F-43FD-9F53-68286125A65E@FreeBSD.org> <0.2.0-final-1725443552.800-0x2fa4dc@qmda.emu.st> To: Stefan Esser X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3776.700.51) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4WzR6f4cDmz4N79 Hi, > On 4 Sep 2024, at 15:37, Stefan Esser wrote: >=20 > Am 04.09.24 um 11:52 schrieb Mark Delany: >> On 04Sep24, David Chisnall apparently wrote: >>> There are lots of control-plane things that I'd love to see >>> written mostly in Lua, >> It was remiss of me to not mention Lua given that it's already in the = project. >> Yet another language which could make life easier, more productive = and more accessible in >> user-land. >> I'm not suggesting for an instant that any of these programs need = rewriting, but one could >> imagine that if commands like ifconfig, route, arp, ndp, ipfw (that = is, programs which >> take a lot of user input and do a lot of data manipulation but aren't = super-critical on >> the performance front) were written in a more accessible language, = then it might attract >> new developers without disenfranchising the core C developers. >=20 > Here is ldconfig in LUA, written more than 2 years ago, for example: >=20 > https://github.com/stesser/ldconfig/blob/main/ldconfig.lua And this is better than C because ...? (Asking for a friend :-) -- Bob Bishop rb@gid.co.uk