From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 03:30:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1890216A4CE; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 03:30:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freebsd3.cimlogic.com.au (adsl-20-121.swiftdsl.com.au [218.214.20.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A1443D3F; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 03:30:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: by freebsd3.cimlogic.com.au (Postfix, from userid 102) id 8D7A66AA01; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:30:30 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:30:30 +1100 From: John Birrell To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20041129033030.GD25035@freebsd3.cimlogic.com.au> References: <200411290132.iAT1WAse056942@repoman.freebsd.org> <41AA850E.9010208@freebsd.org> <41AA86D1.7070105@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41AA86D1.7070105@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: cvs-src@freebsd.org cc: src-committers@freebsd.org cc: cvs-all@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/boot/i386/loader Makefile loader.rc X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 03:30:33 -0000 On Sun, Nov 28, 2004 at 07:17:53PM -0700, Scott Long wrote: > For the past 1+ years I've recieved nothing but complaints from > developers who have told me that the beastie menu was silly, > unprofessional, annoying, and/or confusing. I originally created it > precisely because ACPI was causing significant problems. I was also > getting tired of telling people how to get 'bootverbose' set, so I > figured that a nice menu that took care of these problems would be a > good thing to have. I made it as non-obtrusive as possible; it responds > to the same keys and the same variables as the non-menu prompt, and it > delays the boot for exactly the same period of time. I liked it and I > had plans to make it more useful by allowing you to control the serial > console settings and have it search out and offer to boot alternate > kernels, but I have better things to do with my time that defend it and > tell people how to turn it off. > > For those who think that ease-of-use is important, please accept my > apologies. I thought the Beastie menu was useful/appropriate (I'm not into religion, so the beastie is just the image of FreeBSD to me). It's a shame that people grumble about things they can tweak - and don't tell me developers don't tweak! The bit about the serial console settings would have been very useful for me. Also the booting of alternate kernels, possibly including a test boot of an installed kernel before making if the permanently installed one. Whistle had a neat fallback kernel boot if I remember correctly. -- John Birrell