From owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org Wed Dec 13 21:29:28 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01813E87CB7 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:29:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from smtp2.wemm.org (smtp2.wemm.org [IPv6:2001:470:67:39d::78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp2.wemm.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA98864DEA for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:29:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from hater-dm.corp.yahoo.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:4998:effd:507:48d:6d64:9eb9:1d63]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: peter) by smtp2.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 415EDC4A; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:29:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=wemm.org; s=m20140428; t=1513200567; bh=McnYXWusjX/HpxuawgSHpTZPpOWUsxiU0M7dBrlIDGk=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=qJ+Cdi0cA6uuiO7Jq4foo1LBWohq+7cSfMeRJkM9qMeRfPjgJMeg1q3Z6j4Z63hDF U86cDN1uMdd3Ia1gPfaCBHyh2M+pMbu5ReJfaOj2U3xdTLSb/cNBBB/fi8eNm5D93D 3NYUqIS26oCzF32aZMWtdwyy4Cfbb/G/sMkCGIjM= Subject: Re: http subversion URLs should be discontinued in favor of https URLs To: Yuri , freebsd-security@freebsd.org Cc: RW , Igor Mozolevsky References: <97f76231-dace-10c4-cab2-08e5e0d792b5@rawbw.com> <5A303453.9050705@grosbein.net> <6c9d028c-ac1c-3fc6-8ea2-7ee22c7ffbe8@rawbw.com> <3138231.uiVPfnS2VB@overcee.wemm.org> From: Peter Wemm Message-ID: <34c748a4-acc5-f80b-29b7-7554389fa44c@wemm.org> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:29:26 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:29:28 -0000 On 12/12/17 5:38 PM, Yuri wrote: > On 12/12/17 16:37, Peter Wemm wrote: >> I think you're missing the point.  It is a sad reality that SSL/TLS >> corporate >> (and ISP) MITM exists and is enforced on a larger scale than we'd like.  But >> it is there, and when mandated/enforced you have to go through the MITM >> appliance, or not connect at all.  Private CA's generally break those >> appliances - an unfortunate FreeBSD user in this situation is cut off. >> How is >> this better? > > > This is certainly better for users because it informs the user. Now he has > a choice to use a special override key to use MITMed https anyway or > refuse, vs. with http he is not informed. You misunderstand the problem. A well-behaving corporate with TLS MITM will *block* connections to the freebsd-ca signed services as they will fail it's validation. The user is left with: * can't connect on 443 (proxy blocks failed validations), or * can't connect on 80 (because you don't like people having options). .. which leads to stop using FreeBSD. -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; KI6FJV